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by jmyeet 1441 days ago
So here's what the pandemic should've made patently clear: people weigh up human lives against inconveniencce all the time. What is wearing a mask? it's an inconvenience. It clearly reduces transmission rates and would thus save lives but many don't want to be inconvenienced.

Even taking the vaccine is merely on the level of inconvenience. After billions of dollars, the scaremongering horror stories about "side effects" and "long term effects" have of course never eventuated.

Road deaths? We choose the convenience of driving (sometimes at unsafe high speeds, sometimes drunk) over the deaths that result.

Even guns. The very idea that someone with mental health issues shouldn't be able to just go and buy a semi-automatic assault rifle is an inconvenience deemed too onerous.

Gambling? For a small segment of the population gambling addiction is really devastating. Yet we're OK with casinos.

Same for alcoholism.

But 3,000 Americans die in a terrorist attack and we collectively absolutely lose our mind, launching two wars, directly and indirectly killing hundreds of thousands and spending trillions of dollars in the process.

3,000 people is about the peak of how many were dying to Covid every day during the height of the pandemic.

Think about that.

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>After billions of dollars, the scaremongering horror stories about "side effects" and "long term effects" have of course never eventuated.

Never eventuated, like you mean Astrazeneca was never suspended in eighteen countries on three continents? and Nordics never suspended Moderna?

That never happened in your reality? Wild.

Yes, suspended, but then resumed once it was determined the risks were very low and suitable techniques were established to handle the adverse reactions.
False.

Moderna remains banned in the Nordics for boys/men under 30. NHS does NOT give AZ boosters, only mRNA. NHS will not give AZ for those under 40, only mRNA.

[1] https://thl.fi/en/web/infectious-diseases-and-vaccinations/w...

[2] https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavir...

Neither of those links back up your claims. The pause on administering Moderna was originally set to expire December last year - I can't find any suggestion it was extended after that (wikipedia claims it's still restricted in Finland, but the source is an article from December). At any rate the risk was identified as extremely rare, and I'm yet to see any indication it has caused deaths in anyone under 30 in the many countries it's definitely used. Use of AZ as a booster I understand to be unadvised due to efficacy concerns.
Why are you reading Wikipedia instead of the official government data that I linked?

Directly from the Finnish and British governments.

First link. Click on “vaccines for young people”: Moderna is still banned for boys/young men in Finland. They’ll only give you Pfizer.

The NHS link states exactly what I wrote in my comment too.

Why are you denying the official government sources? Follow the science and advice of competent authorities.

Ok so one country has chosen, for whatever reason, not to administer Moderna to men under 30, presumably on the basis that they feel other alternatives are safer (with an explicit note that the guideline is a temporary precautionary measure). That's hardly proof that vaccines are harmful. All medical treatment carries risk. But the risk of refusing it vastly outweighs that.

PS. I still don't see anything on the NHS site indicating there's any concern that AZ is harmful to those under 40.