[goodpoint]

> it's literally a cartoon

First, it's an anime, not a cartoon. They are different things with a different history.

Second, cartoon or not that does not justify silly voices and poor acting. Just because something is not live action or CGI it does not mean it should be dubbed like the Smurfs.

Additionally, the original author decided the style of the voicing. Dubbing for other languages should respect the author intention and not butcher their work.

[bowsamic]

> First, it's an anime, not a cartoon.

I don't see much of a difference between calling it a Japanese cartoon and an anime. In English they're called cartoons, so I think that's a non-issue

> Second, cartoon or not that does not justify silly voices and poor acting.

> Just because something is not live action or CGI it does not mean it should be dubbed like the Smurfs.

As I said to the other reply, I'm not saying cartoon = silly, I'm saying cartoon = not reality. Even if it were dubbed with serious Japanese voice acting, do you think normal Japanese people talk that way? No.

Cowboy Bebop has funny moments and it has serious moments, I think the funny moments come through better in the dub, and the serious moments are portrayed excellently too. I think the English dub is high quality and more entertaining, and I enjoy it more than the Japanese voices with subs.

[deltaonenine]

>I don't see much of a difference between calling it a Japanese cartoon and an anime. In English they're called cartoons, so I think that's a non-issue

It's a huge issue. Cartoons are silly. Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are cartoons. Cartoons are for kids. Spike Speagal is not a toon. You know the distinction, please don't pretend you don't know.

>As I said to the other reply, I'm not saying cartoon = silly, I'm saying cartoon = not reality. Even if it were dubbed with serious Japanese voice acting, do you think normal Japanese people talk that way? No.

No movie or cinema = reality. Everything is made up. So this is actually a non-issue.

Second, you're not stupid. Many animes including cowboy bebop are drawn like comics. With a more realistic style. You understand this concept, please don't pretend you don't. You know exactly what I mean when I say this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cartoon

Is less realistic then this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=spike+speagal

You see the difference visually right? If not then I can't help you. If you do see that the realism is increased in the second link, then I have to tell you, the voices also need increased realism to match or many people wouldn't be ok with it. I have a friend who is similar to you doesn't even notice bad acting, he likes shows with laughable acting like the flash on the WB. I think you might be like him.

>Cowboy Bebop has funny moments and it has serious moments, I think the funny moments come through better in the dub, and the serious moments are portrayed excellently too.

Your definition of "better" does not include good acting. Since anime is not reality and movies and basically everything you see on TV is not reality.... it seems to me you just don't care for good acting in general. It's a non-issue to you. So the shitty acting in all dubbed anime, cowboy bebop included,... you wouldn't mind seeing all the weird ass "Huh?"s and pauses I see in dubs in a Hollywood live action movie. Or is there a difference here? You tell me.

>Even if it were dubbed with serious Japanese voice acting, do you think normal Japanese people talk that way? No.

Most anime has over stylized voices. Cowboy bebop is NOT such an anime. The voice actors are realistic and representative of how real Japanese talk.

But even so the stylized voices need a certain level of realism so the japanese people can be drawn into the story. No American dub hits that level of realism at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmsVBgZiak

I mean if you can watch above and say the voice acting passes because it's a "cartoon" and not real I think we're just too different.

[bowsamic]

> It's a huge issue. Cartoons are silly. Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are cartoons. Cartoons are for kids. Spike Speagal is not a toon. You know the distinction, please don't pretend you don't know.

There are a lot of serious cartoons or comedic cartoons with serious elements. Also Cowboy Bebop is the latter, it's pretty comical in general, even in the sub.

> You see the difference visually right? If not then I can't help you. If you do see that the realism is increased in the second link, then I have to tell you, the voices also need increased realism to match or many people wouldn't be ok with it. I have a friend who is similar to you doesn't even notice bad acting, he likes shows with laughable acting like the flash on the WB. I think you might be like him.

Why does a slightly more realistic visual style mean that the actors must give voice acting that is realistic?

> But even so the stylized voices need a certain level of realism so the japanese people can be drawn into the story. No American dub hits that level of realism at all.

Have you considered that Japanese people and westerners want different things from anime?

If there is an entertaining, hilarious VO with bad acting, and a serious, realistic one with good acting, I'm going to choose the former. I'm watching the show to be entertained, not to be bored.

Why can't you just accept that I prefer dubs to subs and move on? You aren't going to "prove me wrong" in a matter of taste.

[glandium]

Do you know what western cartoons are called in Japan? Anime.

[goodpoint]

So what?