| > That's a weird judgement to throw in the midst. Sorry, I wasn't implying anything by this. Just absent-minded phrasing. > people have to accept that their preferences aren't always and possibly not ever going to align with healthy eating. Sure, I think it's possible some people can't make it through the transition to healthier preferences. That doesn't suggest that the original claim in the thread is correct. The comment you originally responded to claimed that convexfunction was "restating" the claim that weight loss is pure effortful discomfort (from the top of the thread). Your response was that you doubt that healthy food can taste as good as junk food[1]. In the comment I responded directly to, you say that having cheesecake occasionally is evidence that a healthy person eating less cheesecake comes from conscious healthy effort. These claims are what I'm pushing back against. I use way less willpower on food now than when I was a junkier eater[2]. [1] Note that the issue here might be that your definition of weight-loss-promoting foods is askew. Steak is a pretty reasonable part of a weight-loss diet, as long as you're not mindless about the quantity. As with the cheesecake example, eating the right amount of steak is a way more pleasant experience than eating too much. [2] though thankfully never as bad as the avg US upper-middle-class diet |