[throwaway123989]

I guess you are probably forgot what NSA did to your phone calls?

That has not weaken their legitimacy as the government agency, or US government's legitimacy over US citizens.

Equating some online hacking with punching in the face, is probably as convincing as Trump stating Kungflu with Covid.

[fortuna86]

You dismiss the theft of trillions in IP over decades as "some online hacking". You bring up NSA domestic surveillance as a straw man to distract from what the Chinese Gov does to other countries.

Fine, I'll take a second to engage your straw man: The NSA didn't feed their surveillance data to DHS to round up undesirable ethnicities into concentration camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/15/documents...

Also, NSA didn't monitor phone calls they monitored the metadata of said calls. If you are going to be a troll, at least be accurate.

[throwaway123989]

> the theft of trillions in IP

This is just pure propaganda. If one can accurately count for the IP theft and come up with a value number. And argue that it's trillions theft from the US business man, without those business man not refarining from doing business in China, then the basic profit-seeking behavior is not working in the US China bilateral business dealing.

You can claim that US businesses lost trilliones which are larger than the profit they collected, and assume that the business men are stupid and not knowing the value of their IP.

That's just senseless argument.

> the theft of trillions in IP over decades as "some online hacking".

Online hacking is very small part from China. And they are usually backed be global hackers from compromised hosts located in Chinese territory.