[sdfhdhjdw3]

Not everything is a question of "does it collect data", actually.

They're collecting _some_ value from individuals, whether you understand it or not.

Your comment reminds me of Facebook's disingenuous "we we're not _selling_ the data", which just a way of distracting from the real issue. This isn't about data, it's about yet another incremental stripping down of individual's control over their intrinsics.

[davidatbu]

You seem to agree that they don't collect biometric data, so I'm not sure exactly what "intrinsics" is being "stripped down" from individuals, in this case. Could you clarify?

[sdfhdhjdw3]

I don't agree to anything, because I don't know enough about it. They SAY they don't collect data, they SAY it's a zero knowledge proof. Who knows about that.

What I know is that they're extracting some value from people who (like me) likely don't understand the implications. This isn't complicated.

[davidatbu]

Because you so confidently asserted that they were "all scumbags" who have no "credibility", I'd expected much more certain evidence about the nefariousness of Worldcoin.

I, like you, believe it is very important to remind folks that they should clearly understand the value prop of an exchange before they participate in it.

But I don't think that calling "scumbags" the folks behind any proposed value exchange (like Worldcoin) that you yourself (self-admittedly) don't fully understand the implications of, is a way to achieve that.

[sdfhdhjdw3]

There's no value prop in getting your eyeball scanned in exchange for magic beans.

[sdfhdhjdw3]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

You asked me exactly what "instrinsics" are people being stripped from. So according to that article, people are being robbed of the ability of proving their own identity. If that startup succeeds, people will no longer be able to prove their identity other than thru them. This is really dangerous stuff.

You see, the mistake you made here is assuming that without understanding the details you can't come to any conclusions. But that is wrong. There's some things that I don't need to know the details of to accurately determine they're nefarious.

So again, they're all scumbags.

[davidatbu]

> If that startup succeeds, people will no longer be able to prove their identity other than thru them.

The article doesn't at all claim that the startup seeks to monopolize world wide human authentication!

For the benefit of "bystanders", the TLDR of the article is that (1) WorldCoin is collecting biometric data (not just a cryptographic hash of it), (2) Worldcoin switched compensation of its "operators" from a stablecoin to a brand new cryptocurrency, (3) perfecting the tech to authenticate being a human while preserving anonymity itself might be very valuable, and (4) the fact that brand new cryptocurrency is distributed to everyone might make the cryptocurrency itself very valuable.

I think 1 is valid concern if true; 2, IIUC, wasn't done "behind the backs" of anyone, so it's fine, 3 and 4 are very true. Thank you for linking the article!

> The mistake you made here is assuming that without understanding the details you can't come to any conclusions.

You are free to choose whatever standard of evidence you see fit, but personally, I will always choose to reserve strong judgement (like calling someone a scumbag) until I am confident that I fully understand the details.

[skinnymuch]

This disingenuous method of distracting from the real issues is so commonplace in everything web3 (and corporate)

Edit: Good job with your arguments for the rest of the thread too.