[DiggyJohnson]

I actually very much agree with your characterization of the challenge.

That said, and I'm curious if you'd agree, I don't think that means that we cannot observe that MSNBC is left-biased. Both in a relative (definitely) and absolute sense. That said, if we are going to use such a reductive spectrum, we do lose a huge amount of important details that may keep individuals from agreeing with my perspective.

[techdragon]

I wrote that up because of how hard it is to even agree on what “left” means. I could agree with a characterisation of MSNBC as socially “progressive” but they’re fiscally “conservative” just like the majority of business focused news outlets. They push “individualist” views quite broadly along with the majority of business news by being (in general) anti-union, and they don’t really seem to have a fixed position on the authoritarian/libertarian axis (as in they don’t make the decision if it’s good or bad based on this axis)

Effectively I could agree with a characterisation of MSNBC as “left” if you want to define “left” as just “progressive”. Which feels like an oversimplification that hides the fact that when you look critically at the situation that broadly speaking news in the USA is tailored to instil fear as a mechanism to keep people watching because seeking information (to ensure our safety) on things our brain finds threatening is a basic human instinct that happens at a subconscious level. Effectively the only difference between the 24/7 news channels is what they think you’re afraid of.