[carbadtraingood]

Yep, exactly. Worker coops in a market is fine.

Compare the difference between Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden. Warren and Biden fundamentally believe that capitalism is good and the natural law of the land. Sanders does not. Warren believes that we need to do more to address inequality between the owners and the workers, Biden does not.

I would (personally) consider Bernie to be Leftist, Warren to be Left Leaning, and Biden to be Centrist.

None of them I would consider to be revolutionary left. I've met plenty of tankies who believe in an authoritarian left seized through violence. (I am not one.)

[DiggyJohnson]

Thanks for continuing this thread. Just to close out this discussion - because I think I might be able to pinpoint where we disagree: did you find the MSNBC was opposed to a Bernie candidacy? I didn't make the same observation, and my position does essentially hinge on "if Bernie is leftist, then MSNBC is leftist."