[akudha]

more people then ever

More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time.

I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when they went subscription model. Tableau did the same. I guess it is just a matter of time before everyone started doing it, both in digital and real world. Next would be what? 10 bucks for my washing machine that I own, $10 for my fridge, $10 for my air conditioning, stove, vacuum cleaner...

I don't know how we can fight back. They will keep pushing and pushing trying to eek out every possible cent. There are products we can simply stop using, but cars (at least in the U.S) are much difficult to avoid, outside of cities like NYC. Much of the country is built for cars

[NeoTar]

I thought the JetBrains subscription was actually a good example of a subscription - when you buy an annual subscription, you get a 'perpetual fallback license' for the version at the time of purchase - i.e. you can continue to use that version forever without further payment.

Isn't that basically a traditional (90's style) software purchase?

[sitkack]

The JetBrains subscription model is excellent.

But not only that, they went through a couple revisions with the customer to determine what the right model is.

The software that JB produces as has massive value, but it is also fragile in that it needs to be kept up to date as the ecosystem evolves. That value is fragile in the face of constant change unless you pin yourself to a snapshot of the language and all its dependencies. The JB subscription model allows for this while also enabling constant upgrades.

The way that JB handled the outcry about the original subscription model is the real innovation.

[jdsfighter]

Not to mention the yearly price breaks for continuing to subscribe to their services. I think I pay less than $15 USD a month for their All Products pack, and it's worth every penny. Much more economical than buying every release of Visual Studio.

[tm-guimaraes]

> Next would be what? 10 bucks for my washing machine that I own, $10 for my fridge, $10 for my air conditioning, stove, vacuum cleaner...

This was already happening with planned obsolescence. The EU fought that by implementing a new law that requires big home electronics to have a 10year warrant. I guess the next step for vendors is bundling “service” features for subs

[midhhhthrow]

I stopped using jet brains because they went to subscription

[tm-guimaraes]

That makes no sense. Before you payed for a version of the IDE and a year of updates. Now you pay for a year of use and you get the most updated version of your last subscription day for ever.

Basically the difference to buying every year is that you don’t keep old versions. You still get to keep/own the version of your last paying day. And you get discounts…

Unless there are really bad feature changes, there is really no reason to prefer the old model

[sitkack]

IntelliJ is Apache Licensed, https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

That seems like a pretty spiteful thing to do for a (F|f)ree Software.

[midhhhthrow]

First they tell me I can use their IDE forever if I pay for it. Then they go back on their word and prevented me from using the thing I already paid for. They’re being spiteful to their customers

[tm-guimaraes]

You can still use the versions you paid for…

[mywittyname]

You still get a perpetual license for the version that was out when you purchased the subscription.

[midhhhthrow]

That has not been my experience