[turbinerneiter]

Germany still does not have a solution for the nuclear waste. Nobody wants it. All the pro nuclear people turn into anti nuclear people once their region is looked at for a nuclear waste disposal site.

Recently a former conservative minister got an award for fighting against wind power which is named after a former key figure of the early green movement in Germany, wo later dropped out to figth against wind turbines.

Bavaria is holding back the construction of a crucial north-south connection for electricity, which would bring the power from the wind-rich north to them. But they don't want the power lines messing up their landscape.

Everyone wants electricity, nobody wants to see the infrastructure that makes it.

People are meshugge.

[qbasic_forever]

Freezing to death this winter because your source of fuel oil is now your geopolitical enemy seems like a more pressing problem than the tiny amount of waste 3 plants will generate decades from now.

[turbinerneiter]

Please inform yourself before you say things like that. This discussion is already hard even without the constant interjection of uninformed opinions.

The decision to keep these 3 plants running or not is not about the waste, but about the fact that they were planned to shut down for years now, and there is some real hurdles to reversing that now. The impact of keeping them on is also rather small. The effort and money is more effectively spent elsewhere.

[_ph_]

To prevent "freezing to death" would require heating, not electricity, which Germany has enough. It is the house heating that is powered by gas. And no one is going to freeze to death, the question is only the impact onto industry.

[frosted-flakes]

Electric heat is always an option. If the gas runs out, portable electric heaters could be used, if the electric grid can keep up.

[_ph_]

Sure. And it can. We are talking about 3GW of nuclear on a grid which has like 100GW capacity vs 60-80GW consumption. Much more, if the sun is shining or wind is blowing. Yes, it is absolutely annoying to bring back some coal plants into service and using them more overall, but those 3 plants are only a small drip into the bucket.

If they would be easy to run longer, I would be all for it. But big money is better spent into reducing the gas dependency overall.

[frosted-flakes]

Oh I agree, trying to backtrack and re-open those plants now is probably pointless. I'm just saying that gas is not needed for heat.

[ptr]

“Nobody” is a strong word; Sweden is building a nuclear waste storage site. Strongly supported by the local municipality. https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-approve-nuclear-waste...

[turbinerneiter]

I was talking about Germany. Is Sweden going to store German waste?