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by hef19898 1435 days ago
Since it was shown in the last years that legacy car makers are perfectlh able to transition to EVs, regardless of market segment, I think we are approaching the point of realizing that both, EVs and ICEs and everything in between, are just cars. Meaning that purely EV makers should be compared to ICE makers. What that means for companies like Telsa is everyones guess, at the very least so it would just be fair to treat Tesla as a car maker and not some SV style tech company.
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cloutchaser 1435 days ago
Except they are miles ahead in battery tech, autonomous driving, and supercharger rollout.

I wouldn’t write them off just yet, they’ve got a lot more innovation in their DNA than the old car makers

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ModernMech 1435 days ago
> autonomous driving

No they aren’t. Their sensor stack is handicapped and has literally murdered people. Sure they have “autonomous” cars in customer’s hands now, but that’s only because Musk is reckless, that doesn’t mean they are ahead. GM bought Cruise which I would say is definitely ahead of Tesla in their technology and ethics.

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freemint 1435 days ago
> Super charger rollout

US only, Europe those super chargers are available for everyone. In some asia countries they are behind https://paultan.org/2022/05/13/tesla-open-to-idea-of-establi...

> Battery tech

Yes, others are catching up or are competitive, differences are much smaller than expected improvement over next 10 years.

https://insideevs.com/news/528346/ev-weight-per-battery-capa...

> autonomous driving

roll out only, performance of the rolled out solution is not so impressive. This is also because they use fewer sensors.

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hef19898 1435 days ago
I don't write them off, by no means, even if I was sceptical a couple of years ago. Tesla will remain a car maker for sure.

Battery tech, so, is mostly Panasonic. And other are catching up. Esentially, there are ICE makers that don't have the best engines. And lately I sae mucj more, relative, innovation and transformation cing from the likes of VW than from Tesla.

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cloutchaser 1435 days ago
They are starting to dry roll batteries, technology which no one has achieved before. And many other production innovations. And that was over a year ago.

They are most certainly miles ahead by now.

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edgyquant 1435 days ago
This is rubbish and proven wrong. Tesla claimed to be years ahead, European Regulators beg to differ
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