[gregmac]

I've never used a java app that didn't feel like a total clunker, especially with time to start up. This includes simple little utility apps, like testing SMTP servers.

I won't dispute electron apps are also often slow, but there are counter examples, such as VSCode, that are actually reasonably snappy on fairly modest systems.

What's the counter example that runs on JVM where I might not notice it's running on the JVM? (I'll also freely admit I've spent the last decade avoiding java apps when I can, because I've never had a pleasant experience due to the combination of performance and early-2000s aesthetic. Maybe the situation is vastly different today and it's just me that's outdated)

[sudosysgen]

As far as Java apps that feel snappy, I would imagine Minecraft qualifies?

Otherwise on the JVM in general, something like jwhois is very snappy to start up.

[barbarbar]

Not snappy - but intellij is in my opinion a good Java app.

[kelnos]

"Not snappy" is an understatement. It's a memory hog, and can visibly lag (keystrokes and mouse clicks) on my 3-year-old laptop depending on the project I have open. I probably wouldn't use anything else for Java or Scala development, but ugh, I would not call it pleasant to use from a performance perspective.

[barbarbar]

"Is an understatement". You are probably right. When I think a bit more of when I have opened huge monstrosities of Spring boot apps then it is quite slow. But for small projects I think it is "okay" and very feature rich.