[mercy_dude]

Not a huge fan of him but Brits needed him to get the toxic wart that brexit brought on itself dealt with. He did a good job with the negotiation for UK. And Covid vaccination too. Credits where it’s due.

I doubt Brits will have a better leader though. Michael Gove is a far worse candidate than BoJo. Or Sajid or Rishi even I would argue. It’s probably once of the latter twos. And their labor party is just as bad with messaging. There is an epidemic of leadership crisis facing Europe (or the whole Western Hemisphere) and this is all in the face of the growing threat of WWIII. Not good.

[midenginedcoupe]

Are you Nadine Dorries in disguise? That toxic wart is precisely _becuase_ of Boris. We crashed out with no deal - how is that a good negotiation? And then the subsequent agreement he did manage to get he's now unilaterally pulling out of, breaking international law in the process.

Yes, vacinnation went very well. But the dithering on lock-downs, constant u-turns on any decision of note, and populism over science led to the death of literally thousands.

If you doubt we could have a better leader than someone repeatedly sacked throughout their carreer for lying, and then being ousted for breaking the law, lying to the Queen, lying in parliament, and getting his ministers to lie on his behalf, then lying again, then we're in even deeper shit than I thought.

[mercy_dude]

> That toxic wart is precisely _becuase_ of Boris.

What do you mean precisely because of Boris? There were referendums and UK voted to leave. It wasn’t upto him to decide, although he had led campaigns for it. But ultimately it’s the majority of the Brits that wanted out. He got the dwindling state of uncertainty and got it over with. It may not have been a good deal but it’s over and thank goodness for that. Because otherwise it would undermine trust in referendum and voters choices. And you could argue any deal would have been just as bad.

> populism over science

I am not sure what you mean by that. He mostly followed the recommendations from the health department (not for himself of course which is why he got in trouble in public eyes, but for the general public I mean), I never saw him questioning the health departments to the extent like they had over here in US.

> lying

oh come on! You forgot Tony Blair clearly. Just a recent example.

Ultimately it’s a win for parliamentary democracy. In presidential system we have, he would be still the president. There is still faith in democracy.

[yrgulation]

At the very least unlike certain EU countries the UK did quite well in leading aid to ukraine.