[pmiller2]

They need to learn it, then. Honestly, anyone who read and comprehended my first post now understands slice notation (with the exception of the more rarely used stride argument), so it's not like it's a ton of effort. Unless the post author is claiming that slice notation itself is cryptic, I don't even understand where he's coming from.

[ceol]

I happen to agree that it's more intuitive to use list() instead of slice notation, but back when I had no idea about slice notation and first saw it, it caused me to wonder what else could be done with it. After some reading, I learned a lot more about different slice tricks than I would have if I were just presented with list().