[AnimalMuppet]

> I'm less interested in parents trying to rationalize what deep down they know was a bad decision, the perpetual "oh but I'd do it all over again" thing when clearly their life is a lot of worse and they're full of regret.

Kids have grown me as a person. They have made me much less selfish and self-centered than I was. (Kind of by necessity...) I am a better human being for having kids.

But if you've got a selfish and self-centered mindset, and you want me to justify having kids within that selfish mindset, I can't do it. "It will help you grow into someone less self-centered" isn't a reason that a person thinking in a self-centered way will accept.

But, for the record: It wasn't a bad decision. My life is not a lot worse, and I'm not full of regret. And don't presume that I'm rationalizing - that's you trying to rationalize my life to make it fit in your existing view.