[dustingetz]

  > Java programmers who already switched to high level language on top of jvm (Scala, clojure, etc.) ... Java programmers who refuse, for various reasons, to learn newer languages/tools

that's still a fairly risky approach. these new tools are, well, new. Reminds me of this quote: "One founder wanted to negotiate out of having to pay $10K in lawyer fees. Said just because it was always done that way doesn’t mean we had to do it that way this time. Turns out that person wanted to rewrite the book of convention on every decision he made. I can’t tell you that’s why his company failed but it sure didn’t help."[1]

Lots of people have shipped multi-million dollar systems in Java. Not so many people have done it in clojure. Tone check: my next job will probably be in scala or clojure, its just not necessarily the answer to everything. See my comment above in this thread where I quote two scala evangelists talking about how scala's future is uncertain.[2]

  [1] http://permanentrecord.firstround.com/2011/10/31/term-sheet-negotiation-tells/
  [2] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3198120