[candiddevmike]

I think it's funny that everyone uses/loves k8s ends up building a product to make it easier to use. There are a lot of examples in the comments here. To me, that's enough of a red flag that k8s doesn't understand their users or can't meet them where they're at.

[nouveaux]

Heroku and friends is literally built to simplify the complexities of VMs. Are you also arguing that deploying to VMs is too complex?