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by xchaotic 1454 days ago
ShotSpotter execs learn about Streisand effect the hard way. Living in Europe, I have never heard of the company, now I have.
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Alas, because you have not heard of them, does not mean your local police have not heard of them (they are probably using them already - even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money).

In Europe, companies selling to the police are extremely discrete and generally keep a hyper low profile, particularly when selling technology (dubious or otherwise). These deals generally work by 'befriending' politicians who can instruct police to purchase and that's all back-room type of stuff.

Generally, it's when a politician wants credit by claiming some success in reducing/detecting crime that these things get any press. The publicity focuses not on the company, but on the genius nature of the politicians decision making.

> astonishingly low gun crime in Europe, making the exercise a pointless waste of money

Worse than that; if you listen long enough and carefully enough, you will hear gunshots. It's like over-used medical testing: look for a problem, find a problem, treat the problem, even if had you never looked the patient would generally be better off.

Rural Canada here, in an area with no real gun crime.

There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals), or hunting in season.

I guess you could only use these things in downtown of a city, otherwise so many false positives..

I can't even imagine in the US, land of 7 guns per person, plus of course the dogs are even armed...

I live in a neighborhood in SF bay inhabited by only billionaires and millionaires. I am always looking up and cataloging all the surveillance devices mounted when I am moving around. We have plenty of ALPR's and other cameras but no shotspotters anywhere near where I live. If I go into Richmond, Oakland, or other blacker parts of the bay, they are prevalent. I heard what sounded like gunshots last night but heard no sirens afterwards. I have more cataloging to do with Vespucci app on my phone or: https://mapcomplete.osm.be/surveillance.html https://sunders.uber.space/
Cool subtle brag
>> There are people on their farms shooting things (rabid animals)

I don't really care if "rural people" are using guns but to claim shooting rabid animals is a major use-case is wrong or initially misleading.

In the US, I know you guys have to be shooting at anything and everything, just because you have a gun.

In Canada, people on farms often buy guns just as a tool, not for cultural reasons, or pleasure, such as long guns, to shoot.... yes, rabid animals, or things preying on their livestock.

It is a major use case, if you own a gun for rabid animals, and really don't get it out otherwise.

I also have a chainsaw, and never get it out to cut trees, unless it has already fallen, or a danger.

EG, I have a chainsaw, but never use it to cut down trees for fuel.

Why do you object? Some areas have a strong local rabis population...

For most Americans... guns are used as a tool just like in rural Canada.
I’ve done it once and I witnessed my mom do it once.

I’m sure it’s way, way less then 1% of the shots fired but it’s absolutely something that happens.

You guys actually have rabies over there? Scary.
"...even if you have astonishingly low gun crime in Europe...."

Er, no.

You have astonishingly high gun crime in the States.

Sorry 'bout that.

You're getting downvoted of course, but it is true - the US is the outlier among rich nations.

Per capita, the US is just behind Panama; in absolute numbers, Brazil is ahead by about 14%.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-viole...

Comparing just to other rich countries shows stark differences:

https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-s...

It isn't even close.

Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low. Our gun crime rates per capita are excellent, except in some of the largest cities.
We have lots of bugs in our product, but you will be happy to hear that our ratio of bug per line of code is excellent!

Also US numbers per capita are actually very bad (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-worl...) and worse in rural states, are you just going by feelings?

> Our gun crime rates per gun are flabbergastingly low

I think I'm going to start reporting our bug resolution counts by text editor.

It's like bug reports per user. Obviously if you have 4 users, you're going to have fewer bug reports.
It's actually very clever technology and can be extremely valuable when used properly. It's a shame the company isn't ethical enough to maintain their reputation.

The way it works is they put audio sensors on roofs (mostly in high crime areas) and they listen for bangs. When multiple sensors hear a bang, they triangulate the position and try to determine if the bang was a gunshot then they can alert the police to investigate. The tech fundamentally works very well. It's not 100% accurate and it seems they are willing to work with police to fudge their analysis when asked.

Yeah for the past decade I’ve had awesome results by not doing anything during a controversy, and then sending DMCA requests and other digital cleanup methods to every source a few weeks later

The idea was that people’s system caches would have deleted stuff by then, so anyone that noticed at that point couldn’t go resurrect to attempt to start a Streisand

Browsers and the internet are super different now, but the same concept generally applies: people only care if you seem to care.

You can only issue a DCMA request on behalf of the copyright holder. There is no takedown for butthurt.
In practice you can issue DCMA requests for any reason and there are zero consequences for lying.
Sometimes the controversy involves resyndication of copyrighted material

People don’t really care that much about their Streisand hopes to argue fair use or bother

But the presence of material makes it a legitimate DMCA request (not like legitimacy is enforced, but I cover my own bases at least)