[amedvednikov]

Only I can ban, and I haven't banned anyone in 2 years. You can read my comments here about the attacks.

There's actual valid criticism and feedback like in https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610

But there's also trolling, harassment, and completely baseless attacks.

[mst]

The way Cadey was treated by your community entirely ended my interest in your language.

[amedvednikov]

Who's Cadey? Do you have a link?

[neven]

mst probably meant this: https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17

[Tozen]

I think what was being referred to was any V GitHub posts, which would involve the V community. The V community has nothing to do with nor have any control over blogs and websites owned by others.

As for Cadey, it appears the person is continually self promoting, to include odd accounts continually linking to old and outdated blog posts on its website, at the expense of the V language and any chance given (see almost any HN post on V).

Cadey (or under various names) was the one that started off smearing V's author and the language with things like "V is vaporware", "V is lying", "recommend against using it for anything", hoping V would die off type nonsense, etc... Mind you, the attacks started against the very first released Alpha, as if it was supposed to be instantly production ready (and that is very much not how programming languages work).

So other programming languages are given the benefit of the doubt of even after say 5 or 10 years of development, while V was supposed to be a finished polished language from day 1? Just plain ridiculousness and clear bad intentions.

[colejohnson66]

Xe/Christine never claimed V had to be polished on release. That's patently ridiculous. What they said was: the original features were not called out as being goals, so they took them as features that (obviously) didn't work. Those claims were eventually marked as "WIP" or whatever, which is exactly what Xe wanted. No one is claiming an alpha/beta doesn't have bugs, but V promoters like yourself claim any reminder of V's prior actions are saying that.

IMO, V has made great strides since the initial release, but none of Xe's claims were inaccurate. All Xe's first post ("V is for Vaporware") did was call out the website as being misleading.

Sure, people could see that it's a 0.x release and know it's an alpha/beta, but that's not the point! It didn't say that the features were WIP until after Xe's post. Compare vlang.io two days before Xe's post[0], and the day after their post[1] (notice the addition of "WIP" markers and a new paragraph about 1.0 above the fold).

It also doesn't help that any time a post about V comes up, people try to explain these things, but the author and people like you refuse to acknowledge it. What most people want is for V to admit the website was misleading at the beginning, but it is now a bit more clear. What we get instead are conspiratorial claims of brigading to destroy V. Unless people can point to some Discord or Reddit group that actually does conspire to destroy V, it's a hoax. As much as the author wishes, posting negatively about V because of its past is not a conspiracy.

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20190621013937/https://vlang.io/

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20190624052507/https://vlang.io/

[Tozen]

And here we are again, like it's one the movies of Groundhog Day or Edge of Tomorrow, where somebody keeps hard pushing Cadey/Xe/Christine (and whatever other connected names) old blog posts to promote the website at V's expense.

V is an open source programming language. Of course the V developers and contributors are going to have continual discussions among themselves and then make changes to their goals, roadmaps, features, and timelines. To include make mistakes and have to do corrections. This should be common sense and understood, but apparently not, or least not when it comes to discussions involving the V language.

It's insanity to continually run through the wayback machine on any alpha version of a programming language's website and run around: "Why is there a change in this language feature?" or "But, you said the language would do this before." or "Why you changed the date?". What is more relevant is the present website and present version of the programming language, because things continually change and that's how development works.

In regards to your conspiratorial claims, lets check the previous posts:

1) Mst made a claim that somebody named Cadey was mistreated by the V community.

This looks to be false. Doubtful if anybody in the V community even knows who Cadey is. Furthermore, the "V community" is not in control of random blogs, websites, or posts on the internet or their content. If you are going to refer to the "V community" it needs to be at least somewhere officially recognized by them (like V's GitHub) or at least where one can prove they significantly congregate at.

2) The V creator didn't know who in the world Mst was talking about and asked for a link as proof.

3) This was then used as an opportunity by an odd account from 2010 (Neven) with only a few posts (really odd) to then re-push and promote upon us again the Cadey/Xe/Christine website.

Which drudges up 3 year old mostly non relevant crude, that nobody really cares about except V detractors that seem to get off on it, that is pushed on every HN thread involving V that I've seen.

Note- And it's such a repeating pattern, of what V detractors do (even without mentioning the downvoting, flagging, trolling, and gaslighting), that others are noticing it too. Among them, sph and johnfn, and check out their posts above.