[abbbi]

still, you will lose your drivers license. I dont care if it is decriminalized, if i get pulled over and lose my license becuause i used to smoke 4 days ago, theres something wrong. I think this is one of the biggest hurdles to overcome: how to deal with cosumption in regards to roadworthiness

[romanovcode]

True, I know a guy from Berlin who had exactly same situation. I wonder if you can call a lawyer and refuse to give your hair/urine in this case.

[gallexme]

If you refuse, then you under arrest and get driven to the police station where a Amtsarzt(approved police office doctor) will draw your blood and check if you are roadworthy

[MaKey]

The police can do that - however, they need reasonable suspicion for it. I have refused to be tested for alcohol successfully in the past. I didn't drink anything, I just don't like such tests being routinely used when there is no indication that alcohol or drugs were consumed.

[gallexme]

I wonder if that only works on checkpoints/ places where masses of vehicle get checked, I don't think it would work if you the only one getting pulled out(atleast ime in Baden-Württemberg), drinking suspicions haven't been more than "have u had smth to drink? "+l and if suspicion is high enough a "where have you been/where you going to ", never breathalyzers

But cannabis, wrong hair style+ couple younger people in car= did u smoke? "No "well we will make sure of that ourself"

[hansel_der]

whataboutism:

friend of mine lost his drivers license in berlin because he drove A FKN BIKE under influence of alcohol (he was still quite in control and did nothing wrong).

[romanovcode]

That is normal and by the book, this law applies in all of EU AFAIK.

[hansel_der]

but its kinda selective punishement over people without a drivers license

[hans1729]

>Roadworthiness or streetworthiness is a property or ability of a car, bus, truck or any kind of automobile to be in a suitable operating condition or meeting acceptable standards for safe driving and transport of people, baggage or cargo in roads or streets, being therefore street-legal.

TIL ;)