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by hellojesus 1457 days ago
It's interesting you say these things because it's exactly how the right views the left, and it's exactly what they say about them! Just an observation, and an interesting one.

> Well it's always seemed pretty cut and dry that the whole "abortion" controversy is largely a religious crusade and that anyone pretending to favor the constitution would call it mixing church and state.

This is not at all true. Yes, there are lots of Christians that don't support abortion. Yet, there are many Jews that do and specifically cite their religion.

While religion may influence worldview, the fundamental abortion question comes down to the fact that the Constitution does not define when a person becomes a Person. I think the recent legal ruling was proper because of the specific omission of abortion in the enumeration of federal powers.

This EPA decision, however, I think is wrong, because the major question doctrine cannot be consistently applied and is constitutionally baseless so far as I can tell.

Edit: forgot to write:

> There's a long and storied history of things being in conflict with the constitution and justices simply not caring.

I imagine everyone thinks this about some things. I agree with your assessments of bad precedents above, but conservatives aren't the only ones that do this. FDR threatened to pack the court to get his way with the New Deal and the Wager Act, which included things I believe are unconstitutional such as Social Security, Minimum Wage, Medicare, etc.

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>It's interesting you say these things because it's exactly how the right views the left, and it's exactly what they say about them! Just an observation, and an interesting one.

This is not an interesting observation but a disingenuously naive hot take straight from right wing reactionaries that conveniently or ignorantly ignores reality and the history of radical theological propaganda that’s being crafted by conservative think tanks and disseminated by their media orgs in a campaign to manufacture consent and shift public opinion. This particular tactic is called projection.

>>projection:

>>Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside". It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.

>I think the recent legal ruling was proper because of the specific omission of abortion in the enumeration of federal powers.

Then abortion is plainly protected by the ninth, tenth, thirteenth and fourteenth amendments. One must use their ideological or theological beliefs as renegade dogma in order to reject the protection afforded by these amendments.

> Yes, there are lots of Christians that don't support abortion. Yet, there are many Jews that do and specifically cite their religion.

How many Jews are currently Supreme Court justices?

Two.
...and how many Catholic justices are there (nevermind the Christian superset)
One, Elena Kagan.
Yes, but yesterday it was 2. Justice Breyer sat on the court for the most recent term.
You think the minimum wage is unconstitutional?

That’s pretty extreme.

You cannot realistically expect 21st century America to agree with you.

If the constitution DID oppose a minimum wage, and it doesn’t, I would say ditch the constitution. Common sense.

Thing is, all this legalese mumbo-jumbo is a racket and a scam. The constitution is written in plain English in a rather common vernacular.

So-called “conservatives” have hijacked a silly notion of knowing the original intentions of the founding fathers and delivering an unbiased truthful channeling of that into a winning strategy. To the rest of us it’s rather obviously a scam.

>So-called “conservatives” have hijacked a silly notion of knowing the original intentions of the founding fathers and delivering an unbiased truthful channeling of that into a winning strategy. To the rest of us it’s rather obviously a scam.

These same justices will toss contradictory evidence whenever it is at odds with their goals.