[Originami]

And the rate for White victims in the USA is 87% (from within the article). Fairly similar.

The overall rate is brought down by the volume of black victims (predominantly killed by others blacks), and the resistance to supporting police within those same communities.

[Andaith]

If they're not solving the crimes, how do you know they're "predominantly killed by other blacks"?

Also, why is there resistance to supporting police in those communities?

[Fargoan]

Most murders aren't random. Neighborhoods are segregated.

[swearwolf]

You’ve never heard of “snitches get stitches?”

[Manuel_D]

Mostly from reports of witnesses. Even if the murder goes unsolved, the witnesses can provide a description.

[feet]

"Black on black crime" is a talking point that racists in the US absolutely love to toss around while totally ignoring the fact that drug laws have been used as an excuse to terrorize minority communities for decades

[helloworld11]

and your second (valid) point doesn't change by one iota the fact that black on black violent crime is extremely pervasive in these communities and also the cause of the vast majority of murders of african americans. The FBI Uniform crime statistics, derived in part from solved murders and other violent crimes bear this out too. What you say about racist policies may be true but no white outsider is putting a gun into the hands of certain blacks and making them shoot other blacks. One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this, a complete aversion for political ideological reasons to placing any focus on things that black communities themselves can work to change internally.

[autoexec]

> One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this,

BLM is about the problem with policing, not just anything that impacts black lives in general so criticizing BLM for not talking about the very real problem of black people murdering black people makes about as much sense as criticizing them for not advocating for more high blood pressure screening.

[feet]

Found the racist who ignores centuries of systemic oppression

https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/

[autoexec]

Sounds like he's just saying that two things can be true. Police can be racist and blacks can kill the most black people. naturally three things can be true too and maybe he is racist. Seems like the kind of willful misunderstanding of BLM you'd see from racists. That kind of confusion (intentional or not) is another reason why BLM was a terrible name for the movement.

[feet]

And those statements literally ignore the centuries of systemic violence and oppression used to keep African Americans poor and in the lower class. We have designed a system which keeps opportunities away from specific groups of people and then when they have strife and conflict that naturally arises out of these extreme poverty situations we have racist assholes who come along and say "oh but look at the black on black crime" while literally ignoring the fact that they continue to support policies and politicians that, while maybe not explicit, continue to support the systemic structures that have caused the situation in the first place

We live in a complex system with many moving parts and the majority of people are supporting the system that keeps poor people in poverty generation after generation. When people have no hope and are constantly shit on by the people who claim they help, I'll give you a hint (it's the police), yea they turn to crime and violence because they literally have no options to survive

All of that on top of our hyper capitalistic system which states that anyone can achieve the american dream where the ultra rich flaunt their wealth is just rubbing it in the faces of those living in abject generational poverty

Yea, if we design and support a system like that you're going to have problems. And racist idiots who can't understand these systemic effects are parading around talking about "black on black crime" like that's the issue at hand. Its not, not even close. The issue is systemic poverty and suppression which creates the situation in the first place.

Since I know someone is going to come along and say some crap about "making choices": we have less choice than people think and free will is an illusion. Our conditions, surroundings, and chance largely determine the path we take through life. If you want to see an explanation of why free will isn't real, I have a long recent comment on it as a reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=feet#31945561

[JonShartwell]

Other countries also have groups who have historically been discriminated against and the numbers show they do a much better job at solving these crimes than the US

[jjeaff]

Fear of interacting with police might be a more apt description.

[bergenty]

I would allocate some blame to a more lackadaisical approach by the police to solving crimes that happen in black communities in addition to your point.

The reason there is resistance to supporting the police is also because of the history of how police have continued to treat those communities.

[mr_toad]

The unsolved rate is still 2.6 times higher.

[11101010001100]

The point stands: comparing nation-level statistics. Of course, one is free to choose an arbitrary level of granularity.

[calvinmorrison]

FWIW Comparing the United States to Micronesia is also a bad idea. Or to say, Life in moscow is sure different than in Kamchatka