[Gordonjcp]

> Yeah, no thanks. A good manual transmission is a core part of the driving experience.

I learned to drive in manuals (because they're more common in the UK). I currently own two automatics and drive a variety of manuals, automatics and EVs that are kind of inherently "automatic".

I don't see any difference in "driving experience" between manual and automatic. What do *you* think the difference is?

[jjtheblunt]

Not what you were thinking, I guess, but I push-started my manual Saab and Honda many times, could my manual Mercedes but never needed to, which you can't do with an automatic.

[Gordonjcp]

You can if you get them moving fast enough, but it's terrible for the gearbox.

[jjtheblunt]

that would require some fast running while holding the door and steering wheel!