[mrtksn]

Strong words about bribed western politicians, considering that the land was owned by Azerbaijan up until Armenia occupied those lands in 1990s.

Yes, the lands were disputed and the dispute was resolved by Azerbaijan winning the lands back after 16 years of occupation.

[zniturah]

Strong words about Azerbaijan winning back the land. ~150K Armenians leave in Artsakh today and btw have you heard of 2K Russian troops defending Armenians in Artsakh?

[mrtksn]

Of course a lot of Armenians live there.

But a lot of Turks live in Bulgaria(%10 of the population), a lot of Russians live in Ukraine and the baltic states, a lot of Azeri live in Iran. On each and every case, they are concentrated in some specific regions.

Do you think that Turkey should invade Bulgaria, Russia rightfully invaded Ukraine and has the right to invade Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova and many others. Do you think that Azerbaijan should invade Iran?

[zniturah]

Artsakh was Armenian land for centuries, thats the point your are missing.

[mrtksn]

Russia says the same thing for Ukraine and other parts of the Europe.

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

[yywwbbn]

This is an nonsensical comparison. As absurd as Putins claim is historically it has more ground to stand on , at least historically both Russia and Ukraine are (kind of) successors to the original Rus state centered around Kiev. Whereas Azerbaijan’s claim is basically based on the fact that they invaded the region and murdered or drove off the Armenians living there.

Obviously what happened hundreds of years ago should be irrelevant since the people currently living there had nothing to do with it. But also I don’t think we should deny the right of self determination to the people living there just because Stalin drew some line on a map close to century ago.

[mrtksn]

Unfortunately when more than one group of people claim rights over a territory the only fair outcome is the one that comes after one of the groups compels the others to comply, usually though killing citizens capable to fight. The rights of the current occupants is always expected to be respected, i.e. when Armenia occupies part of Azerbaijan and vice versa it is expected that the locals keep their belongings. When this is not respected, we talk about war crimes and atrocities.

In the case of Armenia vs Azerbaijan, this time around the Azerbaijan came victorious. On the previous war it was the Armenia.

Anyway, I agree that people should have a right for self determination but unfortunately in the age of countries they will need to fight and win. Unfortunately, with the war technology we have this means huge tragedies.

Oh and the comparison with Ukraine is not nonsensical at all, the regions under Russian invasion are Russian-dominated places that declared independence from Ukraine almost a decade ago. The only new development is that those people finally have a state actor on their side. Why wouldn't you say that the Russians in Ukraine have the exact same self determination rights as the Armenians in Azerbaijan?

[f6v]

So Crimea had every right to declare independence from Ukraine?

[f6v]

What gets me is that people always talk about the land and not people who live there. As if they don’t matter at all.

Do you need that piece of land that bad so that Armenians living there have to abandon their homes?