[pmontra]

I want my mandated banking apps, voice calls, Telegram, WhatsApp, OSMAnd, Street View, SMSes, Firefox, an email client, one day of battery, WiFi, in a smallish form factor (let's say a bezel less original iPhone SE) and light (that phone again.) I don't think I'll ever get that in a not Android, not iOS phone.

[kuschku]

> mandated banking apps

> I don't think I'll ever get that in a not Android, not iOS phone.

Of course not, those apps nowadays do on-device checks in the TrustZone environment to verify with Google’s servers that you’re actually running a phone that’s approved by Google with a supported OS version in a supported configuration. Customization? Competition? Who cares!

> Street View

Considering just how much Google has tried to hurt Windows Phone by not supporting it with their own apps and services and even preventing others from making Windows Phone apps for their services, you’ll definitely never see Street View support on a non-Google non-Apple phone.

Your issue isn’t one that can be solved by open source volunteers. Your issue is one of monopolies and control.

[rglullis]

If by "not Android" you mean "without Google", then I'm happy to report that I've been using /e/OS for over an year without any major issue, which I believe was possible to install in some of the Sony "mini" models.

[danuker]

I don't like bezel-less. I have to carefully grasp my phone not to drop it.

[goldphotograph1]

Yeah, with bezel-less there's also the issue of accidental touches