[robonerd]

I blame ORMs. ORMs are promoted by scare mongering novice developers away from learning SQL in the first place. I'm ashamed to say I fell for it for a few years. When I eventually learned SQL it was like a fog being lifted from my mind that I hadn't even noticed before.

[reidjs]

I tried not to use an ORM for my last project, but I you ended up rolling my own ORM for the application anyways because it was easier to keep the structures in the web application tied to the database. How else do you keep the two consistent?

[pfarrell]

The irony is, to effectively use an ORM, you need to be able to debug the SQL it generates when it’s not performing correctly (eg operating on a collection, row by row). I like to use ORM for row based, transactional operations in an OLTP. But usually look for the way to write straight SQL when doing OLAP style reporting stuff. Both of which happen in almost every business.