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by lamontcg 1454 days ago
Get FF or some other browser a healthy market share first and then talk about cracking open iOS.

Instead what happens is this internecine warfare where everyone shits all over FF for political reasons (most of which have no relevance to their day to day use of a web browser) and uptake of Tor/Brave is miniscule and most everyone sticks with Chrome.
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lenkite 1454 days ago
"Get FF or some other browser a healthy market share first"

Why ? Open up the platform first.

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Jcowell 1454 days ago
One would say it would be disastrous to open a platform first and then take on Chrome because

1) Firefox cannot compete against Google endless resources m. Google will win, not a matter of it but will.

2) The time it takes to decouple chrome from google will be too long. It may just kill Firefox before any action can really be done.

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lamontcg 1454 days ago
Yeah I don't see why this math is so hard.

If you force Apple to open up iOS then Chrome just takes it over and Safari will take such a hit that Apple will probably have to kill it. Then Google will own 99% of the portal to the web.

I think I'm arguing with a bunch of Libertarians though who think that an unregulated market is some kind of magic sauce that will conjure up a Chrome competitor out of thin air, and not a recipe for monopolization.

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depressedpanda 1454 days ago
Why are you so certain that Apple will have to kill Safari if Chrome and other browsers are allowed on iOS?
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lamontcg 1454 days ago
Because Chrome will instantly start to out compete it. And once Safari is pushed down below 25% share on iOS then sites will feel more and more free to avoid testing on Safari and push users towards just using Chrome. Not having two different engines to have to test against means that even more the web becomes something that works on Chromium by default and is totally broken on Gecko. That makes FF even worse, and Google will totally control Chromium and the engine that browsers like Edge and Brave work on top of and will be able to dictate (in the "dictator" sense of that word) what the engine does (and while they might be somewhat responsive to Microsoft, they won't be to Brave). And we already won the battle to keep Windows from tying the browser to the O/S on windows and watched while we lost the war and Google completely took the engine over. Cracking open iOS is going to let Google take over that platform as well, it isn't going to make life any better for Gecko or any other alternative engine.
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ImPostingOnHN 1453 days ago
How much cash does Apple have?

How much would it cost for them to fund firefox development to make it a stronger competitor?

Okay, Apple: do that. Also open up the walled gardens. You can make it a setting if you want to keep the beginner computer users safe.

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lenkite 1454 days ago
Let Apple permit the use of OSS browsers with their native rendering engines - problem solved. Will they do this ? I guess not because it means their native app development is threatened.
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