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by elicash 1458 days ago
You can be anti-union, that's fine. It's even legit to be pro-union but to say that for you personally, you're such an amazing performer that employers are fighting over you and so maybe the union is good for most but not you personally. For example, maybe NBA players would make much less without the union but LeBron personally would make more. Maybe you're the LeBron of developers! (There's no debate on whether bargaining collectively leads to greater leverage in negotiation overall. It clearly does.)

And you're also not the person who wrote the initial comment.

But it seems dishonest of them if they first said:

> I fail to see how any of the things mentioned in the article are "intimidating and harassing"

...but to then shift the goal posts to saying that yeah, okay, the things left out would be intimidating and/or harassing but they just don't believe the allegations to be true.
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ppod 1458 days ago
>There's no debate on whether bargaining collectively leads to greater leverage in negotiation overall. It clearly does

Totally! That's why I want to be pro-union. I don't know much about NBA, but I don't think I'm a top 10th percentile developer. It just sometimes seems like all the unions fight for is the bottom 10th percentile.

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elicash 1458 days ago
I'd love to see a study on this topic. My priors lead me to believe gains are far more distributed and far more come out ahead, but I haven't actually researched the degree.
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LanceH 1458 days ago
The NBA players union is much more of a cartel (maybe trade guild?) than a union.

What they definitely aren't is a union representing the employees of the NBA. They are a tiny minority of the employees, who take only for themselves.

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tclancy 1458 days ago
Wow, that is quite the reframing. It’s a union of the players, not everyone involved in making an NBA game happen. There’s no arena to employ people if the game doesn’t exist. And the history of professional sports is filled with worker exploitation. I would have thought an industry that is a true meritocracy might be the one place all of the 10x developers here might understand a union’s purpose.
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elicash 1458 days ago
No, it's a union; you can find them listed on the DOL website as a union if you look them up.

It's not uncommon for different workers to be represented by different unions in a single workplace. UNITE HERE, among others, represents some stadium workers.

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