[skissane]

You smear the vast majority of women as "self-haters", and want to deny them the autonomy to choose moral and political views which are different from those which you personally approve. If anyone is a "hater" here, I think it is you, not them.

[rfd4sgmk8u]

You do not understand my position at all. I am denying nothing to anyone. Everyone has the autonomy to choose their own moral and political views, including those which I do not personally approve.

What is not granted is the ability to force another to take on those views. I am not forcing you have have a particular belief structure, but you are making an argument that because a group of people have some pretty crazy ideas we all must be beholden to it. When you want to force an ideology -- and my position is not an ideology, it is an anti-ideology at best.

I posit that forcing women to give birth to babies against their consent is a grave human rights violation and cannot be tolerated in a modern civilized society. It is the same logic of the paradox of tolerance that we cannot permit those to push a their hateful agenda against others, for they will push their ignorance and hate so loud that rights vanish quickly.

[skissane]

> but you are making an argument that because a group of people have some pretty crazy ideas we all must be beholden to it. When you want to force an ideology

77% of American women support some degree of abortion restrictions – although a majority of them only support limited restrictions. What do you mean to say that all those women have "pretty crazy ideas"? How are they "forcing" an ideology on anyone by acting politically in accordance with their own beliefs–any more than anyone else doing the same thing is doing?