[uhhhhhhhhhhhh]

You're looking at it all wrong. Kind of through the lens of an narcissist. Not nearly as many people have had the opportunity to even become "full" intellectuals. The irony here is that while the world burns, the easiest solution is raising that bar for them by challenging them and leading them into better paradigms, through interaction and debate or even arguments.

Without your presence amongst the people on that platform, and with the condemnation and final-judgement people like yourself dole out... how could you expect them to ever be any better or things to improve over the course of a decade?

Team values have all but disappeared. That is the real issue at hand.

We need to be finding leverage and educating them on how to think critically, while providing them with support and encouragement of lifestyles which improve their intellectual abilities. Not put them down and shut them out.

You may disagree - you may believe that there needs to be a culling like a lot of the entitled wealthy class, but that's just naive weak thinking from a group of individuals who couldn't build or run something themselves if their life depended on it. They're essentially nothing more than spoiled children living in a bubble. They have no foresight.

[agentgumshoe]

I agree with this in principle, but in reality the flood of new people, influence/manipulation by organisations (political and market) and encouragement of features that reward low quality content (emotes, monetisation, etc) mean the site doesn't actually promote the environment you suggest should exist.

Old fashioned forums are still far and away the best 'system' for this, they're just not 'popular' enough any more, particularly with Facebook providing groups within their massive walls.

[FastMonkey]

The solution seems to be a Goldilocks zone between popularity and death, too popular and it devolves, too unpopular and it dies. HN manages to keep itself tucked neatly into that zone I think.

[agentgumshoe]

And keeping a purpose. Going for 'broadest possible audience' is always a spiral to trash.

HN still keeps to its 'niche' well enough, much as forums have their usual genres that allow for clear moderation and purpose/values.

[uhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Now this is something I completely agree with and you can see it most easily in the video game industry.

Our predecessors have homogenized products and services, reducing quality and efficacy - in many cases effectively shadow banning certain types of quality or goods, e.g. food which contains a ton of cancer causing chemicals, or video games which prey upon vulnerable youth and adults VS organic sustainably locally farmed fresh produce that empowers people and brings them together and video games that provide emotionally, socially, and intellectually rewarding experiences of a lifetime.

Developing for the lowest common denominator is the work of an MBA or Economist. It's parasitic behavior of an individual who actually has ZERO interest in the companies services or products or what they actually do for their fellow citizens, and instead do everything they can to divert from those goals in order to steal money and get away with it, effectively.

In the case of Reddit - they pretend to be too much, to do too much, while in reality when you weigh the damage they do to society and themselves VS. the profits they make. The point is, which I think you were making, is that they are catering to a very low bar in order to earn more money at the cost of damaging the foundations upon which their business stands, their own life as well - by damaging and corrupting, or driving away communities who would otherwise be empowered and empowering others (including the MBAs & Economists own families and friends).

The opportunity cost is rapid advancement of technology and stability of social systems, as well as the possible prevention of mass extinction events or prevention of fully blown dystopian realities. These people are literally trading a Jetsons like, badass future for.. short term parties on yachts because they can't get it otherwise. Do you see what I 'm getting at? If these people, these 1% "elites" and "leaders" in our society would just be team players instead they would most likely have the ability to go to the store in just a decade or two and buy themselves a brad pitt body, or a space alien brain, or cure any disease, or buy a perfectly pristine plot of land on the moon or mars (most likely less time than that because things tend to advance at exponential rates when people work together without so much impedance).

This is why I wish more people would start debating with these obscenely rich and powerful people because the people aren't going to cut it in this day and age. We live in unprecedented times where reaching a critical mass with just a bunch of uneducated people is simply no longer effective due to the tools of mass manipulation and fake news that there are. It's also reason to get your hands dirty with undereducated and underprivileged reddit users. All you have to do to get through to them is (A) use their language and (B) balance it out with validation, acknowledgement / mirroring / positive reinforcement of their good logic and behavior. They learn VERY quickly this way and can become formidable allies in a short time.

If we want to do this, we need simply to illustrate for the rich "elite" the opportunity costs of continuing down the path they're on. They are not intelligent business persons when you consider these costs. It's actually insane. It's like trying to compare a $48,000 salary in the early 2000s (after 2001) to infinity. There isn't a comparison, it's just stupid business practices all the way down. HOWEVER, we know they aren't exactly unintelligent either, so to say it's impossible to reach them and convince them is just silliness. They will wake up to it they just need someone they'll listen to, to explain it for them using their own language.

[uhhhhhhhhhhhh]

So what you're saying is because the site rewards low quality or even fake posts, you give up?

You're not making any sense at all and it seems like you've just completely shifted subjects to the algorithm and what makes it to the top.

I wonder - are you under the impression that you have to have a big following or be at the top to influence people? In that case, you should think about how you view top posts and reddit and realize that your target audience isn't bots or necessarily clandestine orgs, but people who could be considered low hanging fruit or "on the fence".

In fact it is best if you are a nobody. It's how you choose to use your words and how good you are at cutting through all the conjecture and b.s. logical fallacies. It's quite effective and doesn't require hardly any effort.

Your attitude, no offense, stinks it would seem. You basically skipped over everything I said, haven't appeared to consider any of the points I made and then switched subjects.

Are you debating here in good faith? Because it really doesn't seem that way at all based on your entire response.

[gsatic]

No one has educated anyone sitting in the middle of a circus full of novelty, over stimulation, distractions and interruptions.

Yes "Education" requires patient teachers, but it also requires a very specific environment without all of the above. You don't have to look to social media platforms for it cause that's not where education happens.

[alexalx666]

Free education services is a niche not anyone interested in or good at. Its normal to expect interesting people to be (not to be educated by me) online with current internet penetration

[towaway15463]

No one is going to become an intellectual by browsing Reddit, the opposite in fact.