[xiphias2]

In principle I would feel the same as you, but if one looks at the science of the development of human fetus versus what we, the humanity do with animals with completely developed nervous systems, I believe that what we're doing to animals for meat production is uncomparably worse.

At the same time easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent which can lead to other problems with societies.

[hamburglar]

> easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent

What specifically makes you say this? It seems like one of those "common sense" conclusions that begs to be supported by data. The trend might surprise you. Abortion rates have fallen drastically since Roe v Wade (obviously Roe v Wade didn't itself reduce abortion rates, but improved education and access to birth control has been very effective). Has "hookup culture" also fallen drastically? How are abortions fueling hookup culture if they aren't happening as much?

[xiphias2]

I just looked at the data, it seems that both of us are somewhat right, but at this point birth control and education outweights abortion law:

In 1973, the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in all 50 states. From 1973 to 1980, the abortion rate rose almost 80%, peaking at 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women of childbearing age ...From 1981 through 2017, the abortion rate fell by approximately one-half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

[hamburglar]

This isn't a question of who's right or wrong. I'm specifically asking about your claim that abortions are driving "hookup culture." This implies that people are having more sex because of availability of abortions. Why do you think this? For that matter, what makes you think people are having more sex, period?

[xiphias2]

It's hard to find hard data on it, but in my personal life 10 years ago I experienced women having sex with me only after they felt that they know enough about me and trust me in having a long term relationship, and after the first sex I didn't feel that I still have to prove myself and court, but rather I can focus on having a great time and great relationship with the woman I am with.

Nowdays women have sex with me much earlier in the courtship (generally second date), but they still play hard to get and give a masculine vibe, like they were just brushing their teeth. I can't really blame women doing it, as the high budget movies are portraying the same masculine characters in beutiful female bodies.

Another example that I can provide that I see nowdays is that I was trying to date women in my age range (40), and they are feminine, great to talk to, mature, want to have kids, and talk about being so desparate that they are thinking about just asking a friend to make baby with them to raise up solo, which they know is really really hard. I have a great time talking to them, I just more see them as friends than people I would like to have relationship with.

[hamburglar]

What does any of this nonsense have to do with abortion and its relationship to hookup culture? Significant parts of this are downright incoherent.