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by KMag 1461 days ago
> I assumed it was a decision relating to a woman's reproductive rights.

But, you realize it's largely a question of axioms, right? Two sides are talking past each other because they take their axioms for granted as self-evident.

It's simply a question of a woman's reproductive rights if you take it as axiomatic that a fetus isn't a person.

I don't take it as axiomatic that personhood begins at conception, but if I did, it would all of a sudden be a question of balancing the rights of two people instead of just the woman's reproductive rights. We don't have a clean scientific definition of personhood. The fetus is genetically distinct and is essentially a parasitic larval human. Scientifically, it's just tissue, but so am I. The real question is if it's a person, and that's a legal and moral question that is largely axiomatic.

The reality is that very few of us have a problem with aborting an unviable fetus or early abortion in cases of rape, very few of us support aborting a perfectly healthy fetus minutes before birth, and hard science doesn't provide us many clear lines somewhere in the middle.

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It's not "largely a question of axioms" and no amount of confidently assert-while-questioning will make it so
Personhood simply isn't a scientific question. There's no objective scientific criteria for personhood.

Maybe it's purely a legal question, but that's a problem given the current makeup of the Supreme Court.

If it's not scientific, not legal, and not axiomatic, then what is it?

I'd argue mostly emotional, us projecting our different emotional experiences on each other and wanting them to feel how we feel regarding the same things.

I also believe it has scientific and legal and axiomatic components, just feel quite confident it has to do more with the fear, anger, guilt, shame, and other emotions we feel and attach to things.

I'd agree with that, but unfortunately, that makes it even harder for maximalists on either side to communicate.
Lol I agree. I think people who take maximalist positions often speak the most distantly about how they feel, using a lot of second or third person pronouns and focusing on how people certainly are and not how they might feel.
Part of that may be that feelings are a very difficult basis for constructive conversation if you disagree strongly. Even if you feel strongly, presenting your position as not emotionally based at least helps move the conversation forward.
How else would you describe the different views of each side regarding the moral worth of a fetus?