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by musicale 1459 days ago
One recommendation I have is to clarify the terminology.

I'd call it a "layoff" if it is expected that business conditions will improve and employees will be given the option to continue their employment at that time.

If it's a permanent situation then I'd call it something else like "dismissal for business reasons" or "downsizing due to market conditions."

Personally what I'd love to see companies do is:

- executive staff and management taking pay cuts (ideally zero pay for C-level execs and directors) first

- offering an option of reduced hours and/or pay

- offering an option to return to work if business conditions are expected to improve

- offering ownership or open source agreements for canceled projects if possible

- providing at least six months of severance pay for anyone who is dismissed, paid immediately along with full vacation and sick day allowances

- immediately vesting any pending equity and options for anyone who is dismissed

- providing office space and placement services which people can use while looking for a new job

- working with other companies to provide jobs, even temporary or contract jobs

- eliminating noncompete restrictions if any

- telling everyone at the same time, as soon as possible

- honestly explaining the situation and how and why people were selected

- honestly explaining the company's financial situation

- being open to creative suggestions from employees for alternative options

- giving two weeks' notice, much as employees would be expected to do

- sponsor a company alumni organization (startupalumni.org) with social events, seminars, and other events, to enable people to keep in touch

- provide alumni email addresses (@startupalumni.org)

3 comments

Some good recommendations & thoughts here.

It is a layoff by your terminology, because we're in that insane VC-money world ("poison pill" as I've seen it called on here!) where it's "go big or go home". So the plan is we win it all back, and we re-hire everyone (although who would ever re-join after a layoff I don't know, but that would be the plan), the alternative is complete shutting down.

Re: exec staff pay cut. We can't lay people off to save ourselves, that's sociopathic. I can't do $0 though, I get paid 20% more than a senior engineer here, and I've not got capital investments.

Re: reduced hours/pay (or furloughing as someone else called it) is a great idea. I used to dream of the 4-day work week, ideally under better conditions...

Not enough money in the bank to do 6 months severance, but more than 2 is available along with all leave.

We'll lose the office too, so can't do office-space :(

Most of the others are doable I reckon!

I also suggested my own laying-off, since that'd save a bit more money and the engineers we've got are so great that they basically don't need management... The founders asked me to stay though.
> executive staff and management taking pay cuts (ideally zero pay for C-level execs and directors) first

One can dream, but sadly I’ve never ever seen this happen.

Your "layoff" is a "furlough". "Layoff" is a legal term that means "downsizing for business reasons".
Yes, it's important to get this straight. Use the right term when applying for unemployment benefits or prepare for a lengthy struggle with unsympathetic clerks at the UI benefits office.

Colloquially we say 'fired' when the contract is terminated by the employer for any reason (or no reason), but at least in California, the EDD understands this as 'fired for cause', i.e. misconduct, which makes you ineligible for benefits.

I got the impression, that those who are capable of correctly filing an UI benefits claim by themselves are those who need those benefits the least.

I second this.