[tjs8rj]

“If you really want to reduce murders, you can’t outlaw it, that just lets rich people murder. Instead, you make guns and other self protection widely available”

To anyone who is convinced abortion is baby murder, this is what you just said. This argument only ever makes sense if you treat the fetus like a non entity and believe the opposition to abortion is purely hatred of female autonomy. The vast majority of Americans in favor of some abortion restrictions (which 75% of Americans are) have that opinion not because of the above but because they believe that fetus becomes a person at some point between conception and birth.

[AlimJaffer]

Except that contraception prevents conception from ever occurring? Your analogy is fundamentally flawed, and there's no point in arguing in good faith with people who equate contraception to murder.

[tjs8rj]

You said: 1. Outlawing abortion isn’t helpful at all 2. Actually helpful would be contraceptives

I (and the vast majority of people) agree that contraception is important and should be widely available. You’re argument against abortion restrictions is completely incorrect though and that’s the point I made