[analog31]

At least in the case of motorcycles, they are close enough to cars (and bicycles) that there is probably an extensive history of case law and perhaps even regulations already in place. Car makers are obligated to provide parts to third party mechanics and even consumers. So this is not uncharted legal territory.

If nothing else, other industries wrestling with right-to-repair should probably assume that they can model themselves after the automotive industry.

There are other industries that have long traditions of repairability, such as home appliances, gas powered garden equipment, and so forth. I've repaired most of the appliances in my house at some point. I've found replacement parts to be readily available and not exorbitant.

[petre]

> Car makers are obligated to provide parts to third party mechanics and even consumers

Same goes for John Deere.

[asiachick]

I don't know where to draw the line but assuming self driving cars are a thing they'll arguably need constant new data and constant updates so unlike most cars to date, they aren't things you'll just be able to buy and the sever your connection with the company you bought it from.

Motorcycles are probably different for the time being. Not expecting people to really want self driving motorcycles.

Like I said, I don't really know where to draw the line. I hate that my multi-colored LED lights have an app that talks to a server. I don't run that app, but my iPhone tells me I need up update the lights and to do so I need to get a 3rd party app. Is that another thing where regulation should require being able to update without an account or is the fact that they had to spend time making the update mean I need some kind of relationship with them?

[MrStonedOne]

>I don't know where to draw the line but assuming self driving cars are a thing they'll arguably need constant new data and constant updates so unlike most cars to date, they aren't things you'll just be able to buy and the sever your connection with the company you bought it from.

That sounds like an argument against self driving cars.

[wrycoder]

Try buying grease to lubricate your mixer from Kitchenaid!

[CSMastermind]

Is that a thing?

I just bought a new Kitchenaid mixer (albeit a commercial one) and it included instructions on how to tear it down for both maintenance and cleaning.

[wrycoder]

I’ve twice tried to buy grease from KA for my K45, a home machine. The second time I decided to be pretty persistent, just for amusement. I kept the associate tied up for half an hour, but, no, they won’t sell to a non-commercial customer. Reasons given were I could hurt myself or damage ‘my’ machine. I’d have to be a KA certified appliance repair shop.

Finally, food-grade grease appeared on Amazon, so I got that.

It’s very different for commercial users, because the machines have to be lubed regularly, and bakers can’t wait around.

(The famous third party service of McD’s ice cream machines comes to mind.)

[R0b0t1]

Just search for "food grade grease," no reason to go through Kitchenaid.