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by ogwh 1465 days ago
FWIW nicotine in cigarettes is only as addictive as it is because tobacco also contains short acting MAOIs (monoamine oxidase inhibitors - harmane and harmaline, the same ones combined with DMT) and other additives that relax the airways and increase nicotine absorption.

Smoking a cigarette is like taking a fast acting but short duration antidepressant along with a mild/moderate stimulant simultaneously, which has been specifically engineered to go from lungs to brain in the shortest time possible.

Switching to vaping from smoking has a transition period ranging from a few days to just over a week while the brain adjusts to receiving the nicotine much more slowly. Vaping relieves nicotine cravings, but at normal doses in an ex-smoker barely scratches the surface of the instant relief/rush delivered by a cigarette.

Nicotine itself and on its own is relatively harmless to an ex-smoker. But should still be avoided by non-smokers.

Most of the harm caused by cigarettes are related to the tobacco-specific nitrosamines found naturally in tobacco which are carcinogenic, combined with additional carcinogens and harmful compounds created when tobacco combusts.

That said many of the flavourings used in e-cigarettes are harmful to health, especially when heated. Most notably sucralose, which itself partially decomposes into carcinogenic compounds when heated to temperatures reached by vaping. But that's another problem, my main point is that nicotine is only about as harmful as caffeine when consumed alone outside the context of a cigarette.

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>Nicotine itself and on its own is relatively harmless to an ex-smoker.

Why is this meme so popular on HN? There's nothing 'harmless' about it, and a few minutes of Googling makes that incredibly clear. Even in the absence of tobacco compounds, nicotine unquestionably wreaks havoc on pulmonary and cardiovascular function, and promotes vascular calcification and arteriosclerosis. It's also implicated as a cause with a plethora of other horrible medical issues.

> Why is this meme so popular on HN? There's nothing 'harmless' about it, and a few minutes of Googling makes that incredibly clear.

My guess is because people who claim this rarely have any references, and when they can dig one out, it's very bad.

Nicotine is definitely a pretty virulent poison. People seem to think it's no worse than caffeine but it's a far more potent alkaloid:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning

However for nicotine addicts the e-cigarette is certainly a better method of delivery than the cigarette, as you're not getting exposure to known carcinogens like benzo[a]pyrene etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzo(a)pyrene

> "Benzo[a]pyrene is a polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon and the result of incomplete combustion of organic matter at temperatures between 300 °C (572 °F) and 600 °C (1,112 °F). The ubiquitous compound can be found in coal tar, tobacco smoke and many foods, especially grilled meats. The substance with the formula C20H12 is one of the benzopyrenes, formed by a benzene ring fused to pyrene. Its diol epoxide metabolites (more commonly known as BPDE) react with and bind to DNA, resulting in mutations and eventually cancer."

I think the bro-science nootropic internet subculture has pushed this misinformation into a growing meme
> Smoking a cigarette is like taking a fast acting but short duration antidepressant along with a mild/moderate stimulant simultaneously, which has been specifically engineered to go from lungs to brain in the shortest time possible.

Chewing tobacco is about just as fast without I assume engineering or maoi.