[elpescado]

Such laws have some far-fetched, surprising (at least for Westerners) and very creepy consequences.

I've read a story about a Swedish girl that had been date-raped while staying on one of Gulf states. Having been used to European legal standards, she reported this incident to the police, only to find out that not only her case was dismissed, but she was found guilty of extramarital affair.

Creepy as hell.

[Gnob]

Excuse me but this is laughable, the logic not the case, I am sorry for the girl who've been through this but corruption exists everywhere and you're coming for far-fetched conclusions based on hearsay.

Pro lgbtq+ laws have far worse consequences.

A trans sexually assaulted an American man's daughter in the school bath then they triggered the dad in the court and when he couldn't take it anymore they accused him of DV, it was pretty traumatizing to even watch the video of the man raging for what happened to his daughter only to be accused of DV.

another man got 16 years for merely taking down a flag and burning it, arson I know but also 16 years, I think nowadays you'd get around that for murder.

I am sure I can bring you more examples of Sweden pulling children from their families if they suspect they're teaching them anything related to Islam as in to oppose going out on school trips or as in refusing to wear half naked clothes when going to school etc, heard a lot of them and kids where crying to get back to their family, I am sure an actually oppressed kid won't look so comfy and happy with his abusers or even get red face crying just wanting to get back to their families, the difference is, the media doesn't care about these because they're not seculars, me not hearing about these from a dude on the youtube I would have had no clue.

Nothing creepy tho, as far as it's all under the umbrella of secular western standards.

[lostdog]

The "trans" student is a kindergartner who doesn't identify as trans, and the assault likely didn't happen: https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-i...

The flag burning is a problem with over-imprisoning, that is widely regarded as a big problem with America, and I'm not sure why pro-lgbtq+ laws are an issue here.

I didn't bother to try to research your rant about Sweden.

EDIT: If you're talking about this other event, the student doesn't appear to be trans either, but went into the girls' bathroom despite identifying as male: https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/26/teen-convicted-in-sexual-a...

[Gnob]

okay I think I was wrong on the trans issue, he seems to be actually a male and he either brute forced his way to the bathroom or identified as gender fluid but anyways I will cut it and say I was wrong.

they're at the very least trying to force a minority ideology over the general majority.

And that is quite the opposite of democracy and freedom. pushing the ideas of a minority as taken for granted is how authoritarian systems work.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/17/lgbtq-american...

this is in the states, I am sure the case is similar everywhere else.

https://www.statista.com/chart/6466/europes-lgbt-population-...

the issue is also pushing the "European standards", Muslims are not opposed to gays if they get treated, quite the opposite the Islamic opinion is that God will reward them because they're struggling and they should be treated and taken care of.

speaking of the European standards, I don't buy it anymore, used to, but not anymore.

Their lies clearly show up when the European values make the LGBTQ+ / feminist struggles heroic after years of secular oppression of the Muslims only to blame all the failures and mistakes of the secular ruling systems on the Muslims and Islam.

Anyone called the SA prince a terrorist when he chopped off Khashoukji to pieces and put his body parts in trash bags? No, not really.

Have any humanitarian organization shed any lights on the Muslims being thrown in jails and tortured and murdered and the women probably raped? Nope, they'd probably support the local narrative by claiming these to be fanatics or terrorists etc.

all I am attempting to do is to show you that corruption doesn't only exist in Qatar, it does exist outside too despite that you're trying to be overdramatic about it.

Also it's their country, if you refuse to comply with the local laws you can refrain from travelling.

same as if a Muslim refuses to comply with the laws of a western country he or she can go back to their country or to a more culturally appropriate place for them.

What's mindboggling is the amount of criticism of such a little thing.

ps. you won't need to stay more than a week probably, and unless you have issues I doubt it would be hard to refrain from banging someone for a week till you get back.

Weird how so many people feel entitled to change the laws and ideologies of others but would call out any such attempts being done onto them as brainwashing or fanaticism etc.

[elpescado]

I think that's called "whataboutism".

[Gnob]

Yes it probably is, but I don't think it's bad in this context because I am not trying to gaslight anyone I am trying to give a sight on the other side.

You mentioned one story, and I will take it for granted, yes laws can be abused, don't date in Qatar, you can go out, have fun, go on trips etc. But don't expect them to change their laws for you, unless I can expect your country to change their laws to allow me to practice my religion to the fullest.

By the way, a rapist can face execution if he did it under the threat of a gun / knife, if not he's supposed to get 80 / 100 lashes iirc. But also getting out half-naked, dating, staying in a room alone with a female isn't allowed either. That is under Sharia rule ( which doesn't exist nowadays ), not sure about the laws in Qatar.

Once I see the west supporting and cheering a man with 4 obeying, covered up wives and calling anyone who disagrees Islamophobic and any player who decides not to support that idea will be considered to be sanctioned like what happened to Idrissa Gueye when he refused to show support for LGBTQ+, I will support the LGBTQ+ rights (neither will ever happen).

And no, you can't force women into marriage and they can ask for divorce.