[vehemenz]

Anyone making an argument against the value of philosophy usually fails because they don't have the analytical/argumentative toolkit to construct a good argument. Precisely because they didn't study philosophy. And if they had, they probably wouldn't be making the argument in the first place.

[_8j50]

I don't have anything against philosophy man, I just don't to be forced into debt and lose valuable time to learn someone else's philosophy. And even that a very western centric perspective. And how is that relevant to compsci undergrad?

[AnimalMuppet]

Most people can't construct a valid argument unless they have taken philosophy classes in college? That sounds like your argument is rather shoddy.

[brewdad]

What is your argument then? Saying nuh-uh you're wrong isn't a valid argument.

[AnimalMuppet]

Saying "that argument is faulty" is a valid argument about the other argument. It is not a valid argument about the original topic.

I can say that the argument is invalid without even taking a position on the original topic. I can do so with extra appreciation of the irony when the original claim was "those people can't construct a valid argument".

[11101010001100]

This is right. I try to make a point to STEM graduate students that it is called a Doctor of Philosophy for a good reason.