[kristoff_it]

You must come from an alternative reality because all that V achieved in terms of popularity is a big initial uptick of GitHub stars and donations obtained thanks to straight-up, no-discussion, clear-as-sky false advertising.

When it comes to sponsors and donations, V is far (really far) from the best in the category. Not to mention that Zig has a proper non-profit foundation, which is a far greater achievement than GitHub stars or even sponsors.

All your comments in this thread are in disagreement with reality to the same absurdist degree of conspiracy theories. And of course you yourself can't help but point out that everything is a conspiracy against V, which is laughable.

[amedvednikov]

A conspiracy theory is claiming that a competitor's compiler has a dependency on an OpenGL context creation library.

And it's laughable to claim that its popularity on launch was due to false advertising. Even your leader admitted that self hosting on launch is impressive:

> Wow, that's incredibly fast. Self-hosted in 2 weeks? Hot code reloading? This is everything I plan to do with Zig, but apparently done already. How did you do it so quickly?

(I hope you won't argue that V wasn't written in V on release.)

Funny how the agenda changed.

[Tozen]

Says a competitor from the Zig software foundation, as if you wouldn't have any ulterior motives, to include a clearly divergent reality.

If anything, I suppose the urge was too great, to not expose yourself.

[burntsushi]

I'm not in the ZSF, although I do throw $50 a month to them, even though I don't use Zig. I use Rust a lot personally. I just like what Zig is doing. They haven't achieved all of their goals yet---just like V hasn't---but I look forward to when they do. And they've already produced some awesome stuff. While there are many differences between Zig and V, one of the most important ones is that Zig doesn't falsely advertise. If they did, I wouldn't contribute a single cent to them.

I totally agree with kristoff here and also munificent[1]. Y'all have a massive victim complex on grand display in this thread and exhibit the classical signs of projecting your own issues on to everyone else.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31795322

[Tozen]

The V community does not create these continuous attack threads or blogs (which is very obvious when reading them), nor told competitors or detractors to come join in on these underhanded attacks.

The "projection", is coming from yourself. That you are a supporter of Zig and Rust, is your own business, that's not the focus of this thread or what my comments are about. But clearly you couldn't help yourself to come do some bashing of a rival language, then gaslight about why there might be a reaction to it.

[burntsushi]

The OP isn't an attack. That's the victim complex I'm talking about. It's a standard experience report.

[ModernMech]

At this point the V community is verging on self parody. I can’t think of a more illustrative example of a victim complex.

Unfortunately it’s very hard to convince self-proclaimed victims that they are not in fact victims, because then you become one of the “detractors” or “competitors” looking to “gaslight” and “slander”.

I’ve never seen a language with so much self-inflicted drama around it.

[burntsushi]

Indeed. Pointing it out to them is difficult. I have experience doing it in other contexts. The jury is still out on whether it's successful or not. :-/

[Tozen]

Your attempts at gaslighting won't work. The OP appears to have created a throwaway account for the purposes of recommending to not use V and then to be used as a linked reference document for further attacks by competitors and detractors, as has already happened on various other internet sites, including here. This is also a pattern of attack on the language, used previously by other detractors, including here and on the OP's "evaluation".

And there is more:

1) The OP does not mention he is evaluating an alpha version of the language.

2) OP starts the "evaluation" with a link to a very contentious and controversial post from 2019, which smears the author and describes the language as vaporware (despite it being 2022 now and over 100 releases later).

3) At no time during the creation of his supposedly month long "evaluation" did the OP reach out to the V developers or community to verify anything in his report.

4) At no time did the OP demonstrate any good will by filing any bug reports or creating a discussion at V's GitHub. He had a unknown throwaway GitHub account, to easily do such.

5) The OP's "evaluation" summary (that can not be responded to) is full of opinions that are subject to interpretation.

6) Exactly how qualified is this mystery evaluator doing this negative review? Unknown.

7) Multiple times in the review, the OP mentions "we", as if he is part of a team. Who is "we"? Unknown.

8) The OP avoids attempts to be engaged in debate with V developers on various points about his review or make it known that he will modify it for correctness, fairness, or language version.

[burntsushi]

The OP doesn't need to file bug reports. The experience report is its own thing of value. I've had people write experience reports about software I've written many times. You know what doesn't happen though? I don't accuse them of bad faith. And I don't cry about them not filing issues as if that's some moral necessity.

The irony of you picking apart the OP's wording as not being exactly correct is just too much. There's the projection I was talking about. :-)

> Multiple times in the review, the OP mentions "we", as if he is part of a team. Who is "we"? Unknown.

On the off chance that you just aren't aware of the idiom, it's common to say "we" as in "me and you, the reader."

Search for "we" in one of my pieces of writing, for example: https://blog.burntsushi.net/csv/

There's nothing nefarious about it. See also: https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/5500/use-of-fir...