[aksgoel]

Interestingly, Telegram by default is not even end to end encrypted.

[Sebb767]

It's not a large corp who's monetization strategy is selling or exploiting user data. In fact, it's founded by someone who was screwed over by government overreach.

It's not perfect, obviously, but if I had the choice between Durov and Zuckerberg, I'd take the former every time.

[fritigern]

Neither is WhatsApp. It's a closed source app, no one outside of Meta knows if it is actually encrypted properly.

[afiori]

I always wondered how feasible it is to analyze whatsapp network traffic to test their claims.

[fritigern]

I'm sure the traffic is encrypted. But it's trivially easy for Facebook to copy your private key to their servers.

[hiq]

That's not how it works: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11432661

[tcfhgj]

That's exactly how it works. You can claim a lot of the day is long when the app is closed source

[hiq]

I invite you to read the comment I linked.

[fritigern]

Nonsense.

The app is closed source. Facebook could be copying all your private keys to their servers and you would never know.

[hiq]

I invite you to read the comment I linked.

[fritigern]

I read it. It is nonsense.