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by ss108 1467 days ago
And all the people getting cancelled said and did x bad thing, but Musk's sycophants and defenders, who tend to be free speech absolutists, act like people should be immune from the consequences of their actions.
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There is no equivalency between getting fired because you insulted your boss and getting fired because 20000 hyperonline strangers didn't like your opinion about politics stated outside of work.
> There is no equivalency between

Sure there is, and trivially so- your employer decided to fire you in both cases, in neither did 20000 hyperonline strangers fire you.

I don't think this is a good comparison. First of all, many (most?) of the people who got canceled didn't do anything offensive or objectionable. Off the top of my head.:

* The guy who got fired for cracking his knuckles in a way that looked vaguely like an "OK sign" which is offensive to some extreme left-wing people

* The data scientist who got fired for citing research on the efficacy of nonviolent protest

* The journalist who was pressured to leave his workplace for interviewing a black man whose views didn't match a certain narrative about what black people believe

* The professor who was suspended for saying a Chinese word that sounds vaguely like an English slur

Moreover, cancellation is "pressuring someone's employer to fire them". This is different than an employer taking offense to an employee's speech and firing them as a consequence.

If Musk has said something like "employers shouldn't fire employees on the basis of their speech" (and he may have done, I really don't know), then he's probably being hypocritical, but not on the basis of cancel culture.

You have merely cherry-picked some examples of cancel culture where people were fired for merely trivial things.

> If Musk has said something like "employers shouldn't fire employees on the basis of their speech" (and he may have done, I really don't know), then he's probably being hypocritical, but not on the basis of cancel culture.

My comment was necessarily about Musk himself, but also about his defenders. Thus, it doesn't matter much whether Musk himself is a hypocrite based on any of his own statements, but rather whether his supporters (for lack of a better term) are hypocrites based on positions they have previously staked out.

> You have merely cherry-picked some examples of cancel culture where people were fired for merely trivial things.

I was explicitly noting that many cases of cancellation are unjust. Giving examples is appropriate.

> rather whether his supporters (for lack of a better term) are hypocrites based on positions they have previously staked out.

I’m sure some are. Any person with a large following will have many people who are hypocrites. A huge swath of the general population is hypocritical, so I would expect some hypocrites among Musk’s followers.

I don’t know how you could credibly argue that his supporters in general are hypocritical in a way which is independent from whether or not he is.