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by http-teapot 1465 days ago
Background on me: I am French, I've been living in the Bay Area for the past 14 years, a 2-year old and another on the way, we are recent home owners and grandma lives and helps us every day.

California is expensive. The Bay Area where you'd find high paying jobs is even more expensive. Rent is expensive, home ownership is nearly inaccessible, cost of daycare and healthcare is high, great schools are expensive and taxes are high.

I didn't do the exact math but to give you a ballpark, for us to live well, eat well, save for the future and travel (ski trips or visit family in France), we'd need to earn a combined yearly salary of over $300,000. I think for a household with 2 parents working as SWE it's doable.

That said, based on seniority, your household could probably reach over $200,000 working from Bavaria.

I frequently think about going back but our decision is mostly a factor of the kids growing up around family, in an environment that's empowering them and with great weather. Rain and green pasture sure is pretty but I prefer the sun.

2 comments

Can you provide links to websites that engineers get paid 100k in Germany?

My impression is that it’s around 50k. That’s what, for example, car companies or top R & D places pay the best graduates from TUM (I am talking about PhDs with years of experience in advanced engineering).

But OP should also consider health care costs. You still pay 800-900 Euro in Germany (450 paid out of salary and an equivalent amount by the employer, which is essentially taken from salary), and with that you get excellent health care for a single person in US, but things change if you are unemployed. Overall, German health care system is better.

100K isn't a common salary for entry or mid level but as senior engineers or mangers you can definitely make it. I'm working in Germany. With my bonus I touch just about 100K. I have 10 years of experience though. Although when recruiters contact me and if you mention 100K as your minimum they don't seem very excited about it. Same with companies.
> Can you provide links to websites that engineers get paid 100k in Germany? > > My impression is that it’s around 50k. That’s what, for example, car companies or top R & D places pay the best graduates from TUM (I am talking about PhDs with years of experience in advanced engineering).

I am not familiar with the German market so I wouldn't know. I lead software engineering at a small startup in the US and talk with other CTOs. I think at this point, a lot of US startups will consider any talent anywhere in the world and the exception being legality (for example, companies with clients in the public sector). Salary-wise, it depends on seniority. A very senior engineer could reach Bay Area salaries and I know a few (exception?) who far exceeds those levels. Due to the nature of remote work, junior engineers will have a tougher time so location will definitely be a factor.

i doubt you’ll have much left or be able to buy a decent house with 300k total income in the bay area.