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> In Europe you will be low middle class for at least 10 years and then middle class for the rest. Considering US standards.

> There is no mobility in Europe and even if you are promoted taxes will take care of that.

This is nonsense to the highest level considering we are talking about a family of a PM and a SDE.

OP disregard the parent comment because he is clearly out of his depth talking about life in Europe.

Good SDEs can pick good compensations in Europe to be able to afford a house and more.

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Now do the salary comparison between an PM + SDE in California vs Germany.

Then taxes[1].

"As shown in the figure, the overall tax burden on wages is roughly 17% higher in Germany than in the U.S. While social security contributions (employer and employee) account for less than half of the U.S. wage tax burden, they account for more than two-thirds in Germany."

[1] - https://www.chicagofed.org/publications/chicago-fed-letter/2...

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Now add cost of private insurance, COL, cost of houses. Then calculate how much of those pesky taxes in Germany go towards real infrastructure compared to the US.

I'm a FAANG engineer in Europe and I can tell you I'm not a lower class grunt like you imply everyone in here ;)

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What I mean is that your reality may not be same as OP.

Some stages in life are better in Europe other are in US.

I lived in Both.

Want to live hard and play hard? Having two weeks vacations as a good thing? Go to US.

Want to drive YOUR car, have YOUR house fill the tank and eat bad food? US.

Want to have more 2 children, have 30 days + sick leave and well .. work slow? Go to Europe.

Europe is like a cozy trap, you enter, feels nice public transportation, healthcare, all things already decided for you and cozy.

But then you are on your 60's the Medical specialist has a long queue, your treatments are limited. Then the state is telling you which doctor you should go, which treatment is good for you, etc.

Then You don't feel so good to bring groceries on the public transport.

Then You don't feel so connected to the local culture.

I am not doing a US VS Germany thread. But OP should looks in how he "fits" on each place.

Some people discover that food can be delicious, cheap and healthy in Europe.

Other people discover the power of individualism in US.

Are you going to fit on local culture or be in the expat circle?

Are your kids be in the local school or the "new school" made for new people?

As you are happy please enjoy real food and join me in the war against "olive garden" The "real italian food" from others food chains that claim it :)

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> Want to drive YOUR car, have YOUR house fill the tank and eat bad food? US.

Weird, I have a house and a car, might have missed the memo about giving it away

> Europe is like a cozy trap, you enter, feels nice public transportation, healthcare, all things already decided for you and cozy.

I forgot when the government sent me my letter telling that I should study programming and in which city to live

> But then you are on your 60's the Medical specialist has a long queue, your treatments are limited. Then the state is telling you which doctor you should go, which treatment is good for you, etc.

Then you go and acquire private insurance or go to the private doctor of your choice. (like the US doesn't treat the elderly like crap)

> Then You don't feel so good to bring groceries on the public transport.

Don't need to bring groceries in public transport thanks to sane zoning regulations that allow blocks to have supermarkets and small shops, no need to give Ford your money to have a live and be able to buy groceries 7 KM away from your home :)

> Then You don't feel so connected to the local culture.

Like his german wife will in the US right?

> Other people discover the power of individualism in US.

I forgot the US copyrighted individualism

> Are you going to fit on local culture or be in the expat circle?

Again, like his wife?

> Are your kids be in the local school or the "new school" made for new people?

Clearly you don't know how schools work, neither in the US or EU.

You clearly don't have any knowledge of live in Europe and have a very naive sense of patriotism for the States