[DeathArrow]

>As a AMD fanboy who loves seeing them back on top

I am not a fanboy, but a realistic dude.

AMD ruled the last years but Alder Lake overtook Vermeer on both performance and price/performance.

And that is with a process node difference, Intel using 10nm vs AMD using 7nm.

And the future looks like Intel will enhance the distance between its performance and AMD's.

[colinmhayes]

Alder Lake and zen 3 are on comparable processes. Intel 10nm, now renamed Intel 7, has pretty much the same density as tsmc 7nm.

[FairlyInvolved]

And N7 is almost certainly cheaper (holistically) than Intel 7, from an economic perspective AMD have done more with less.

[DeathArrow]

>Alder Lake and zen 3 are on comparable processes.

Intel didn't use EUV, so no.

[coder543]

I think Intel stands to regain some lost ground over the next year or two, but Alder Lake isn't a compelling argument in a datacenter-focused discussion.

Alder Lake relies on brute force, inefficient power consumption to regain the performance crown. AMD's chips are much more efficient, and efficiency matters in datacenters. There is only so much power and cooling available to each rack unit.

I think Sapphire Rapids holds a lot of promise, but it remains to be seen.

[DeathArrow]

You are right. But parent comment was about desktops, not data centers.

And in desktops performance is what matters. And price/performance ratio, and both are in Intel's favor.

[coder543]

This HN topic is about cloud, and I don’t see anything in the comment you replied to that’s talking about desktop computers specifically.

Both Intel and AMD have plans to integrate memory more tightly onto the package of their datacenter processors in the next couple of years, IIRC, and that seems to be what the OP of this comment thread was hoping they would learn from M1.

But, whatever.

[viktorcode]

Take a note, that node sizes of different factories aren't comparable, because they are measured quite differently. You can only compare TSMC v TSMC, Intel v Intel etc.

[DeathArrow]

True, but Intel is still lagging at least one node behind TSMC, by whatever way you can measure.

[colinmhayes]

Against apple and I believe amd’s new offering this fall. Not amds last offering.

[bloodyplonker22]

if by "enhance the distance" you mean Intel will fall farther in terms of price and performance to AMD, you're probably right.