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by smeagull 1465 days ago
I'm not paying that much for an editor that runs counter to my muscle memory, just so I can use a different programming language.

If a language requires some IDE to make it usable, then I put it in the same camp as Java: Hope the competition are using it.
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pjmlp 1465 days ago
No wonder FOSS languages are stuck in the pre-historic tooling.
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xigoi 1465 days ago
If “pre-historic” means “doesn't take several minutes to start and require 8GB of RAM”, I guess that's a good thing.
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pjmlp 1464 days ago
I wonder how Turbo Pascal IDE managed to fit into 640 KB....
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xigoi 1464 days ago
Because it wasn't based on bloatware liks Electron. And I guess the developers actually cared about performance because at that time they couldn't just assume that everyone has a powerful machine.
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pjmlp 1464 days ago
Electron !== IDE.
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the_gipsy 1464 days ago
"IDE as tool for everything" is what's prehistoric, at this point.
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pjmlp 1464 days ago
Sure, some people enjoy being stuck with workflows born out of phosphor terminals.
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the_gipsy 1464 days ago
So why don't you program in VR then? Why not generate CI jobs from an ML model?
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pjmlp 1464 days ago
Graphical IDEs are good enough.

Xerox PARC already showed how.

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xigoi 1464 days ago
Do you have any other workflow that allows so much programmability and composability while being lightweight and cross-platform?
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pjmlp 1464 days ago
You mean the "cross platform" as long it is UNIX?
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the_gipsy 1464 days ago
Enjoy duplicating your workflows anyway for CI. Or do you make a release by clicking the play button in your IDE?
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xigoi 1464 days ago
Windows has WSL. Is there any other major non-Unix platform?
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fomine3 1465 days ago
That's why I buy JetBrains all products pack. It supports many languages.
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KronisLV 1464 days ago
I'm tempted to ask what languages you're using and what has your best experience with them been like.

Because as messy as Java is, refactoring codebases in it that have been kept alive for close to a decade is surprisingly not madness-inducing (most of the time), at least in some of the sane frameworks. Apart from, you know, legacy projects basically killing your career in the long term.

I'm not sure what other language I'd feel comfortable with changing how some method works across 50 other places that call it and have the IDE do most of the heavy lifting.

Yes, I have Stockholm syndrome, probably. Yes, I'd prefer to retire to planting potatoes in a farm, rather than work with NullPointerExceptions.

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