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by quartesixte 1470 days ago
> It's all fun and games until you find out that you can't have as many customers as you thought to because people can't find a parking spot near your shop, also because your delivery area shrinks because your deliverymen use bicycles and won't drive uphill or more than 5 km from your place.

Existing dense and ultra-dense cities do not face these problems or have adequately addressed them. Or these aren’t actually problems.

Increased density in a neighborhood means increased foot traffic which means increased business.

Delivery of large items become an essential business activity. The Japanese versions of many multinationals offer free, same-day delivery of any items bought in-store if you live within a 30 miles of the store. You actually can have it scheduled to have the delivery truck coincide with when you come home.

Why do you assume the delivery service will use bikes and not mopeds, small cars, or other powered mobility systems?

Businesses respond to the limited range of their customers by increasing their presence. Look at New York — a bodega at every corner. Small businesses can thrive by filling a niche inside a walkable radius and have decreased marketing costs and higher customer discovery because tens of thousands will walk by every day. So large corporations create more jobs and independent mom-and-pops can reliably compete.

Denser cities don’t have your above problems because the nature of dense cities make all of those things moot. Ive seen many of these same counter arguments before, and my only thought is that Americans have lived in our current state for so long we fail to imagine a better life.

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Culture is harder to shift, and I was mostly talking about France, but your points on increased density neighborhoods are valid nonetheless.

French cities are currently not getting denser because of perceived social problems such as poorer working population leading to low economic activity, poor academic performance and eventually and a rise of crime. Paris in particular concentrates a really-non-negligible fraction of the metropolitan area's economic activity but cannot become denser that it is right now because current regulation restricts high-rise buildings in the city proper [1]. That leads to inflated price which drive people away.

Same-day delivery? Good luck with that. 24h is the best they can do, and that's 79 euros -- by the way -- for your sofa that's being delivered to your home, when you'll be there (or not, lol). That being said, Japanese versions likely factor in the delivery cost.

> Why do you assume the delivery service will use bikes and not mopeds, small cars, or other powered mobility systems?

These exist, and there are even moving companies that use that as a selling point. Don't see how practical it is though, especially when driving uphill, as Paris is not exactly as flat as Amsterdam, Chicago or Miami, for example. Mopeds or cars still won't deliver more than 5 km away from their base, but customers can easily drive for 45 min to a good restaurant 20 km away.

[1]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A8glements_d%27urbanisme_...

That high rise restriction is the crux of your problem. Hopefully France realizes you must build up.

Reading your response, I feel that France has its own set of cultural baggage and norms it must sort through.

>That being said, Japanese versions likely factor in the delivery cost

Not by much though. To the point where it’s still practically free.

They want to turn a city into a car-free one but regulation ties their hands. As long as the city transitions, its citizens have two problems that lead to them being driven further and further away from the city proper.