[nerdjon]

The last thing we need as a "civilized society" is to vilify sex positivity.

There is nothing dirty (which your comment is implying) about porn. Are there some shady actors in the industry? Sure, but you can say that about any industry.

What we need is to stop being ashamed of the human body. I would call Germany very civilized and they don't have as much shame about their body because (like alcohol for European countries) it is normal from a younger age. It isn't uncommon to see bondage and other very sexual things just normally about. Which is a good thing!

[HNresetPass]

People are openly admitting that they prefer to see people exposed to sexuality at younger ages, and to have more vile things normalized like bondage. Society is collapsing and rapture is coming. There is something extremely dirty about turning youth into dopamine slaves and robbing them of their innocence. The bible clearly states in Matthew 18:6 causing a little one to stumble is grounds for drowning

[nerdjon]

Please don't quote Bible quotes at me, all of those were written by racist sexist men a couple hundred years ago as a form of control.

I am an Atheist, your bible verses mean nothing to me.

Here is the thing, in America we have so much shame about sex. Yet we have an insanely high amount of childhood pregnancies. With schools preaching abstinence, that their desires are wrong, etc. It is no wonder that they have sex.

It has been proven time and time again that trying to say something is bad encourages people to use it. We have seen it with sex, drugs, alcohol, etc etc etc.

Bondage is not vile! It is just another act of sex/love (either or, depending on the situation) between consenting adult.

Youth have sexual desires! It is natural, for fuck sake we go through puberty in our youth. Instead we lie about where babies come from (because apparently "mom and daddy loved each other and you were inside your mom" is too much?).

[yieldcrv]

To me, the flaw in your argument is that there were so many times and areas over the last 2,000 years that could just as easily be seen as “the end times, rapture is coming”

plague after plague after plague

debauchery, currently fringe sexual practices being glorified

massive conflicts

like, if 1918-1932 wasn't a leading indicator of the rapture what makes you think today is any closer? or is it paradoxically because it didn't happen the last 50 times this is always therefore closer?

there are lots of irrelevant prophecies that can have things retroactively attributed to them, which breaks their prophetic capability, hard to prioritize Christian death cults

[pajamanaut]

> Vile things such as bondage

[jwond]

> It isn't uncommon to see bondage and other very sexual things just normally about. Which is a good thing!

I remember when the rhetoric was "consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own bedroom", and now it's "people should be able to practice their sexual kinks in public, including in front of children [1], and if you disagree then you are a bigot!"

This is what a society heading towards collapse looks like.

[1] https://archive.ph/d3URl

[nerdjon]

As someone who is gay, anyone who tells me that kink should not belong at pride can fuck right off.

Pride is OUR event, I don't give a rats ass about your children showing up. Do not tell ME how to celebrate our history.

Trying to remove Kink from pride ignores the history of our community. You are trying to tell me what my sexuality should be.

Edit: Sorry for the language but this is a particular hot topic for me and I will not take any of it.

[GekkePrutser]

Also, people don't have to take their kids to pride events if they don't want to. And really what goes on there is mild, it's not like people are going at it. At least not the ones I've been to.

I'm proud that people can embrace who they really are in this day and age.

[nerdjon]

Thank you!

I also have never seen anything (sex) actually happen at pride. It is always people being cheerful, maybe wearing some gear. If you think that gear is sexual you have already been exposed to it in an actual sexual manor.

If you really are upset about people wearing gear I hope you don't take your kids to the pool or the beach either. You see far more in those situations.

[robonerd]

Wow, I thought jwond was being disingenuous by posting something indefensible but atypical and not representative of the whole. But you jump to unconditionally defend it so quick? Wew, what the fuck.

[nerdjon]

We are not talking about having sex on the streets, that is what Folsom is for.

We are talking about being able to represent ourselves. For many of us our Kink identity is part of who we are.

For the most part we are talking about wearing some leather, rubber, a harness, a pup hood, maybe using a leash, etc. Things that are mostly tame.

Your kid will either likely laugh at it or not think anything of it. If they actually make the connection to sex... they already knew about it.

But again. Pride is our event. I don't need you there or care that you are there. This country is seriously fucked with its puritanical views.

[robonerd]

What you do on the street in public is for the whole of the public to comment on, you're not immune to criticism just because the parade is "yours". As soon as you do it in public, you are giving up any conceptual right to not be criticized you seem to think you are entitled to.

[GekkePrutser]

> This is what a society heading towards collapse looks like.

> [1] https://archive.ph/d3URl

Your idea of a society heading towards collapse is... a bunch of people with coloured flags?

[jwond]

A bunch of people who encourage debauchery and insist that exposing children to it is good.

> When our children grew tired of marching, we plopped onto a nearby curb. Just as we got settled, our elementary-schooler pointed in the direction of oncoming floats, raising an eyebrow at a bare-chested man in dark sunglasses whose black suspenders clipped into a leather thong. The man paused to be spanked playfully by a partner with a flog. “What are they doing?” my curious kid asked as our toddler cheered them on. The pair was the first of a few dozen kinksters who danced down the street, laughing together as they twirled their whips and batons, some leading companions by leashes. At the time, my children were too young to understand the nuance of the situation, but I told them the truth: That these folks were members of our community celebrating who they are and what they like to do.

> […]

> We don’t talk to our children enough about pursuing sex to fulfill carnal needs that delight and captivate us in the moment.

[robonerd]

> We don’t talk to our children enough about pursuing sex to fulfill carnal needs that delight and captivate us in the moment.

Yep, they're groomers.