[damowangcy]

The end result might be same but all of these frameworks/library/tools have some tricks up their sleeves that makes things easier for developers to implement certain functionality.

The major difference with Fresh is that it runs everything just-in-time when it is needed, hence doesn't require building no shipping anything by default to the client(but you can still ship some JS for client side interactivity).

The key here is no building (packing, bundling, transpiling). This don't just save time but actually removes the complexity as what you see is what you get. The only things that ships to users visiting your site is around 0-3kb (plus client side JS you decided to ship), not prebundled transpiled polyfilled prebuild 10mb JavaScript.

Since it is Server Side Rendering, the performance is based on design decision.

[sdevonoes]

> The key here is no building (packing, bundling, transpiling).

How is that possible? In the documentation (https://fresh.deno.dev/docs/getting-started/create-a-route) I see .tsx files... so I imagine that at least one needs to compile TS to JS and then JSX to JS. Perhaps I got that wrong, though and browsers nowadays support TSX out of the box.

[askonomm]

It's using the Deno runtime, not Node. Deno has a TS compiler built-in, thus not requiring you to set anything up in that regard.

[sdevonoes]

Thanks. I didn't know that.

[justshowpost]

Nit-pick: It does have a build step to generate the manifest file, at least currently. This is needed because Deno Deploy still lacks dynamic imports. So, their claims of no build step are as of now still aspirational.

[resoluteteeth]

It sounds like it only needs to be regenerated when you add/remove components though, not when you simply edit them.

[quickthrower2]

How does the counter demo work? I saw no network requests so it must be supporting a client side computational model. There must be TS to JS compilation of some sort.

[alephnan]

> The only things that ships to users visiting your site is around 0-3kb (plus client side JS you decided to ship)

This 0-3kb includes HTML or some JavaScript runtime ?

[eBombzor]

How is this better than astro?

[eyelidlessness]

It’s in the same space as Astro. I can say with certainty without even looking at my Twitter feed that the Astro team will welcome more work in the space. Even if it’s not “better”, everyone leading FE web projects who isn’t a dilettante is learning from and inspired by each other’s work.

[lmiller1990]

I see, so the primary difference is what you ship to the browser?