[hackyhacky]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments?

Religion, at best, codified moral values that were already in place in society.

[thinkingemote]

Yes that's right more or less.

Slavery and sexual violence could be a better example as it's more closer to now. History is illuminating.

[hackyhacky]

Slavery and sexual violence are explicitly endorsed by the Bible.

[ars]

> Are you claiming that murder was totally accepted as normal before Moses got the Commandments?

Pretty much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide read the 4th paragraph.

Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war which also traces its roots to religion. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

I don't think you quite realize how much of modern morality traces itself to religious law. Maybe take a course in Philosophy.

[hackyhacky]

> Pretty much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide read the 4th paragraph.

I asked about murder, not this particular special case. Furthermore, even from the paragraph that you cite, there is nothing explicitly connecting religious law with a prohibition of murder or infanticide. The article states the Christianity forbade infanticide, which I will note is about 1300 years AFTER Moses.

> I don't think you quite realize how much of modern morality traces itself to religious law. Maybe take a course in Philosophy.

Thanks for your unjustified condescension. Maybe you should read the articles that you cite?

[peterashford]

As someone with a degree in Philosophy, I have no idea why you think doing a course in Philosophy would make you believe that religion was the basis of morality. There is plenty of philosophy which explicitly rejects that point of view.