[radley]

> I'm a firm believer that a "ghost in the machine" doesn't exist, will never exist, and is impossible to create.

We're literally souls locked in created machines. We're just made of goo instead of bits. What part of the goo makes "intuition" so unique?

[0des]

> What part of the goo makes "intuition" so unique?

I think about this a lot. I'm guessing it is the brain, and specifically the part that allows us to create "original" thought, or derive conclusions from unperceived input.

When I task a machine with solving a problem, it stays within the confines of the data supplied to it rather than the totality of the state of the system and its peers, which is what humans do; we make decisions often not knowing why, but we are compelled, based on imperceptible inputs like pheromone impulses or subsonic frequency.

[piva00]

We are confined to the data supplied by our senses, they don't ever detect the totality of the system, we are compelled by a very complex network of feedback loops of stimuli-response in our brain's chemistry.

Original thought might not come from some specific area of the brain, it might just arise as another wave of brain activity that fires the right patterns of the network, what's so different in that coming from goo chemistry instead of electric bits?

[0des]

> what's so different in that coming from goo chemistry instead of electric bits?

Very insightful comment reply. If you don't mind, I'll respond in an analogy: What's so different about just building a bigger rocket to move more stuff into space at one time? A: You can't because you reach a finite potential in the relationship between fuel weight and lift. Extrapolating this analogy to the context of your comment reply, sure, in a theoretical sandbox environment that could happen with the silicon circuits and transistors we have today, however I find that unlikely.

Silicon based circuits and the current model and understanding we have of machines and the way they should be built, from a basic principals level is wasteful, thermally inefficient, and requires a sum of resources that if used to model the human brain would surpass our ability to house, power, construct, and allocate the precursor materials for. Given our current technology and the parameters involved, it's just not going to happen for us.

Maybe tomorrow something will get invented that will even further push moore's law into the dirt, but I just don't see that happening in this generation nor lifetime.

[yakak]

If an AI were hooked into cloudflare and sensing things like correlations in lost packets due to planetary electrical interference couldn't it be just as good at "intuition" biased random behavior?

[mylons]

i think your imagination is extremely limited. we have essentially no understanding of the brain or consciousness at this time. making strong statements about the limitations of machines is just naïve