[jasonhansel]

I actually think the Java ecosystem is part of why people dislike it. Java seems to attract a lot of extremely heavyweight frameworks (like Spring) that are too complex to fully understand and too heavyweight to make sense for most projects.

[vips7L]

So use helidon, micronaut, javalin, or spark if you want something small, but I suspect in any real application you’ll just end up recreating half of spring. That’s what my company did and it’s not near the quality of anything in Spring.